From the Independent Women’s Forum http://iwf.org/;-
The Ten Most Common Feminist Myths:
1. Myth: One in four women in college has been the victim of rape or attempted rape.
Fact: This mother of all factoids is based on a fallacious feminist study commissioned by Ms. magazine. The researcher, Mary Koss, hand-picked by hard-line feminist Gloria Steinem, acknowledges that 73 percent of the young women she counted as rape victims were not aware they had been raped. Forty-three percent of them were dating their “attacker” again.
Rape is a uniquely horrible crime. That is why we need sober and responsible research. Women will not be helped by hyperbole and hysteria. Truth is no enemy of compassion, and falsehood is no friend.
(Nara Schoenberg and Sam Roe, “The Making of an Epidemic,” Toledo Blade, October 10, 1993; and Neil Gilbert, “Examining the Facts: Advocacy Research Overstates the Incidence of Data and Acquaintance Rape,” Current Controversies in Family Violence eds. Richard Gelles and Donileen Loseke, Newbury Park, CA.: Sage Publications, 1993, pp.120-132; and Campus Crime and Security, Washington, D.C.: U.S. Department of Education, 1997. *According to this study, campus police reported 1,310 forcible sex offenses on U.S. campuses in one year. That works out to an average of fewer than one rape per campus.)
2. Myth: Women earn 75 cents for every dollar a man earns.
Fact: The 75 cent figure is terribly misleading. This statistic is a snapshot of all current full-time workers. It does not consider relevant factors like length of time in the workplace, education, occupation, and number of hours worked per week. (The experience gap is particularly large between older men and women in the workplace.) When economists do the proper controls, the so-called gender wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing.
(Essential reading: Women’s Figures: An Illustrated Guide to the Economic Progress of Women in America, by Diana Furchtgott-Roth and Christine Stolba, published by the Independent Women’s Forum and the American Enterprise Institute, Washington, D.C. 2000.)
3. Myth: 30 percent of emergency room visits by women each year are the result of injuries from domestic violence.
Fact: This incendiary statistic is promoted by gender feminists whose primary goal seems to be to impugn men. Two responsible government studies report that the nationwide figure is closer to one percent. While these studies may have missed some cases of domestic violence, the 30% figure is a wild exaggeration.
(National Center for Health Statistics, National Hospital Ambulatory Medical Care Survey: 1992 Emergency Department Summary , Hyattsville, Maryland, March 1997; and U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, Violence-Related Injuries Treated in Hospital Emergency Departments: Washington, D.C., August 1997.)
4. Myth: The phrase “rule of thumb” originated in a man’s right to beat his wife provided the stick was no wider than his thumb.
Fact: This is an urban legend that is still taken seriously by activist law professors and harassment workshoppers. The Oxford English Dictionary has more than twenty citations for phrase “rule of thumb” (the earliest from 1692), but not a single mention of beatings, sticks, or husbands and wives.
(For a definitive debunking of the hoax see Henry Ansgar Kelly, “Rule of Thumb and the Folklaw of the Husband’s Stick,” The Journal of Legal Education, September 1994.)
5. Myth: Women have been shortchanged in medical research.
Fact: The National Institutes of Health and drug companies routinely include women in clinical trials that test for effectiveness of medications. By 1979, over 90% of all NIH-funded trials included women. Beginning in 1985, when the NIH’s National Cancer Center began keeping track of specific cancer funding, it has annually spent more money on breast cancer than any other type of cancer. Currently, women represent over 60% of all subjects in NIH-funded clinical trails.
(Essential reading: Cathy Young and Sally Satel, “The Myth of Gender Bias in Medicine,” Washington, D.C.: The Women’s Freedom Network, 1997.)
6.Myth: Girls have been shortchanged in our gender-biased schools
Fact: No fair-minded person can review the education data and conclude that girls are the have-nots in our schools. Boys are slightly ahead of girls in math and science; girls are dramatically ahead in reading and writing. (The writing skills of 17-year-old boys are at the same level as 14-year- old girls.) Girls get better grades, they have higher aspirations, and they are more likely to go to college.
(See: Trends in Educational Equity of Girls & Women, Washington, D. C.: U.S. Department of Education, June 2000.)
7. Myth: “Our schools are training grounds for sexual harassment… boys are rarely punished, while girls are taught that it is their role to tolerate this humiliating conduct.”
(National Organization of Women, “Issue Report: Sexual Harassment,” April 1998.)
Fact: “Hostile Hallways,” is the best-known study of harassment in grades 8-11. It was commissioned by the American Association of University Women (AAUW) in 1993, and is a favorite of many harassment experts. But this survey revealed that girls are doing almost as much harassing as the boys. According to the study, “85 percent of girls and 76 percent of boys surveyed say they have experienced unwanted and unwelcome sexual behavior that interferes with their lives.”
(Four scholars at the University of Michigan did a careful follow-up study of the AAUW data and concluded: “The majority of both genders (53%) described themselves as having been both victim and perpetrator of harassment — that is most students had been harassed and had harassed others.” And these researchers draw the right conclusion: “Our results led us to question the simple perpetrator-victim model…”)(See: American Education Research Journal, Summer 1996.)
8. Myth: Girls suffer a dramatic loss of self-esteem during adolescence.
Fact: This myth of the incredible shrinking girls was started by Carol Gilligan, professor of gender studies at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. Gilligan has always enjoyed higher standing among feminist activists and journalists than among academic research psychologists. Scholars who follow the protocols of social science do not accept the reality of an adolescent “crisis” of confidence and “loss of voice.” In 1993, American Psychologist reported the new consensus among researchers in adolescent development: “It is now known that the majority of adolescents of both genders successfully negotiate this developmental period without any major psychological or emotional disorder [and] develop a positive sense of personal identity.”
(Anne C. Petersen et al. “Depression in Adolescence,” American Psychologist February 1993; see also, Daniel Offer, and Kimberly Schonert-Reichl, “Debunking the Myths of Adolescence: Findings from Recent Research,” Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, November 1992.)
9. Myth: Gender is a social construction.
Fact: While environment and socialization do play a significant role in human life, a growing body of research in neuroscience, endocrinology, and psychology over the past 40 years suggests there is a biological basis for many sex differences in aptitudes and preferences. In general, males have better spatial reasoning skills; females better verbal skills. Males are greater risk takers; females are more nurturing.
Of course, this does not mean that women should be prevented from pursuing their goals in any field they choose; what it does suggest is that we should not expect parity in all fields. More women than men will continue to want to stay at home with small children and pursue careers in fields like early childhood education or psychology; men will continue to be over-represented in fields like helicopter mechanics and hydraulic engineering.
Warning: Most gender scholars in our universities have degrees in fields like English or comparative literature–not biology or neuroscience. These self-appointed experts on sexuality are scientifically illiterate. They substitute dogma and propaganda for reasoned scholarship.
(For a review of recent findings on sex differences see a special issue of The Scientific American “Men: The Scientific Truth,” Fall 2000.)
10. Myth: Women’s Studies Departments empowered women and gave them a voice in the academy.
Fact: Women’s Studies empowered a small group of like-minded careerists. They have created an old-girl network that is far more elitist, narrow and closed than any of the old-boy networks they rail against. Vast numbers of moderate or dissident women scholars have been marginalized, excluded and silenced.
(Essential reading: everything by Camille Paglia; Daphne Patai and Noretta Koertge–Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women’s Studies; and Christina Hoff Sommers–Who Stole Feminism? How Women have Betrayed Women)
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July 22, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Anonymous
Anti-female shaming tactics?
February 9, 2013 at 4:46 pm
cybroo1a
Are you implying to be anti-feminist is to be anti-female?
February 7, 2014 at 12:47 am
Anonymous
It sounds like that’s what is being said.
April 22, 2014 at 5:02 am
Anonymous
I am not the original commenter. But not all of the things said on here applied to feminists. Most applied to women in general. So the anti-female comment holds true.
November 7, 2014 at 5:39 am
Anonymous
yes
April 8, 2014 at 11:07 am
brian
No. He’s just tryingbto show how much some people over exaggerate things and he is stating why these facts are myths and not the truth.
July 17, 2014 at 12:04 am
Anonymous
No, This is proving what the Feminists claimed wrong. –not Females.
August 12, 2016 at 4:38 am
Geoffrey Beene
Why are all these stats so old? Like, more than twenty years old?
August 2, 2014 at 7:31 am
Anonymous
i didn’t know looking at the facts was shaming, seriously people like you are what makes this an issue in the first place, oh no you’re showing the truth about our common artguments? you must be anti female! so you’re bad and wrong and we’re still right! seriously the modern feminist is out of control, and needs to be shut down, you aren’t fighting for anything but the empowerment of women, and using gender equality as a cover against counter argument. It’s disgusting.
January 21, 2016 at 3:32 pm
Leah
A lot of feminists believe that feminism means equality for both genders. Yet, they complain about the non-existent rape culture in the U.S. Plus, more men get raped in the U.S. I personally hate feminists. They claim they fight for both genders yet you never see them complain about how women are more likely to get a job because of a quota. Feminists fights for the dumbest things! First world feminists that is. And you never see movements to stop rape or show how it’s bad, instead they are implying that females are forever oppressed when really there is nothing to prove that feminists are being oppressed by. And body shaming has to do with certain appeal and preference. Plus women never complain when they always get the better half of child support. The person who wrote this article is simply educating ignorant people. FEMINISTS NEVER LISTEN TO REAL FACTS!
June 5, 2016 at 10:12 pm
Anonymous
Feminism embarrasses itself the problems women suffer now a day are not the result of laws but society. I am an egalitarian and the problem is that the elite love to make us argue over things that should have been resolved along time ago. This is done as a distraction the problem is more of a mental restriction that we place on ourselves. Feminism has merely become social group where people can conform to. I respected feminism at its beginnings but now woman want more rights than man. In a divorce court judges will always be in favor of the women even if the women themselves are the breadwinners what are feminists doing about that. If you are going to say I am man for thinking like this then you are mistaken I am agender I secede from these stupid gender mentalities. The strengths of psychology over the mind are underestimated humans are act on a hive mindset and this has been proven. We go with what the majority think is right. I hate that if I can stab the part of my head that causes conformity without dying I will. Free will is the product of chaos the only way for people to be truly free is to eliminate society itself
August 3, 2016 at 6:45 am
Damion wayne
Yeah your horrific misogynistic behavier i not needed
February 2, 2017 at 11:52 pm
Anonymous
chill u got roasted
July 26, 2016 at 3:37 am
Adolf Hitler
Are you stupid?
July 22, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Exposing Feminism
Anonymous,
Women are a gender. Feminism is a socio-political doctrine. A criticism of feminism is not a criticism of women per se – no woman is born a feminist.
February 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Sophie Ruffian
Perfect, ! I am tried of being looked at as a feminist , and I do NOT support their doctrine at all .
February 9, 2013 at 4:49 pm
cybroo1a
Then praise you
March 5, 2014 at 7:26 pm
Anonymous
Correct. That is the same as someone being Anti-Israel, and then Israelis calling them Anti-Semitic. One is a government, the other is a group of people. Same goes for here.
April 9, 2015 at 12:33 am
Sophie Florence
I understand most people will here will think that I should leave you to your opinions. But, I must confess my opinions as well. I am but a child, and therefore would be thought to not understand this kind of a topic. Yet, to me, this specific topic interests me. I wish to know why some people in this world believe that feminism is a bad thing, if I may ask. Also, the definition of feminism is “The radical notion that men and women are equal.” Feminism is often mistaken for man-hating and rebellion by the female gender, but it is proven that feminism IS another word for Gender Equality. Most feminists want to make an important change in this planet. Feminism is a way of telling people that the world needs change and it bestows hope to most who at least try to believe in this movement. In the past, feminism was shown as a man-hating, child-killing, hairy-arm pitted, rebellious, lesbian, crazy rebellion against men and pretty much life. This is all a lie and it haunts me every day why the past is still taking refuge in the present and is slithering over our well-built, hopeful walls into the future. We need to learn how to let go of the past filled with lies and inequality, and try to make a change in this world. Not just for females, but for Earth’s children and all genders and races. If I must, I will share my age, though I know that the internet could possibly steal my identity and someone could try and send me hate mail every five seconds. I am thirteen, and the reason why I chose to research Gender Equality, Feminism, Gender Roles, etc. is because I wanted to know why the males in my school thought they were more mature, intelligent, strong, and normal. Because I was raised to think that I should appreciate my gender role and that I should allow the adults to take care of everything, but children are also human and should be taught to understand the ways of life and to understand that life isn’t a magical candy land filled with equality and happiness. Although, with change, we could at least get somewhere near our dreams including equality. I am a feminist because I think that girls shouldn’t be told to allow their future husband to tell them what to do or to allow themselves to think that having acid thrown at your face is a perfectly okay punishment for reading a book. I want to be a politician when I grow up, and I hope someone here will grow to agree with me.
April 9, 2015 at 12:34 am
Sophie Florence
In the beginning I meant to say “here will”.
March 17, 2009 at 2:57 am
Max
As a former feminist, I remember hearing most of these myths in the past.
One thing you’ve got wrong there though…gender IS a social construction. We first need to delineate the difference between sex (male vs. female) and gender. Sex is what you’re born with, it’s your potential. Gender is the role within that sex that society expects and socializes its members to be.
What you are describing are sex differences, which correctly are not a societal construction, but rather a biological one.
The lines get pretty blurry though. For example, a boy raised as a girl: how would you expect him/her to be nurturing or outgoing? Difficult to say, right?
Another point to consider is that both of these categories are not categories at all. They are more of a spectrum. There is a spectrum of biological sex: intersex people, chimeras etc. But there is also a spectrum of societal imposed gender expectations.
Would you expect two men to walk down the road holding hands as a gesture of friendship? Not in the US. What about two girls? More believable. However, there are some countries where men holding hands fraternally is perfectly acceptable and common.
Gender is part of culture and is a social construct. Sex is not.
December 29, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Perceptor
You’re the one who’s wrong here… “Sex” means “what you’re born with”: it’s the _biology_ that defines your social role. Can “culture” make women produce sperm and men give birth? All the “cultural differences” are minor ones and are reflecting the environment in which they were formed; but the differences does not expand to the level of sexuality.
The cultural marxists created an artificial dichotomy by splitting the biological and the social role of the sexes. The term “gender” should be used only in grammatical sense–where it belongs in the first place.
As for the boy raised as a girl case–as long as the boy does not have any hormonal deviations, it will still demonstrate male behavioral patterns: it will still be a boy.
February 21, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Joseph
Thank you for holding strong to your moral and ethical principles! I feel very alone in this perverted world. Men and boys are treated like perverts for normal hetrosexual behavior and natural lust for women while we are forced to aprove of gays and lesbians and all sorts of perversions that strike deep at healthy family and personal structures. Please email me with ways I can help and be helped for the cause.
March 12, 2012 at 3:50 am
Anonymous Anthropologist
Actually Max is right, and the entire Anthropology discipline will back him up on that one. Sex and Gender are indeed two different things. Sex is our biology; one has a penis, the other a vagina. Culture, though determined in large part by our biological sex, is actually much more complicated.
Gender (masculine, feminine, etc) is defined by social norms within society. In our society, we have definitions for gender that are determined largely by habits; boys play with toy cowboy guns, girls play with barbies, etc. And notice I say ‘boy’ and ‘girl’ here; not ‘male’ or ‘female.’ ‘Boy’ and ‘girl’ are gender terms, whereas ‘male’ and ‘female’ denote the biological sex.
Believe it or not, there are cultures which define gender differently than we do. Many tribal societies have a wide range of cultural criteria which determine gender; criteria that can range from how good one is with a bow and arrow to the foods one likes to eat. The Navajo Native Americans for example, actually have three genders; a masculine, a feminine, and an ‘inter-gender community that everyone is born into. For the Navajo, your gender is determined in a ceremony you undergo upon reaching adolescence.
The effect of feminism is the destruction of the traditional feminine gender, but even with that being the case, the biological female sex remains the same.
April 12, 2012 at 9:17 am
A Deeper Thinker
Thank you, Anonymous Anthropologist, for regurgitating the talking points with which political radicals are indoctrinating students in our universities. It is important for normal people to be exposed to the extent to which garbage about sex roles in society is being shovelled onto unsuspecting young people under the guise of legitimate academic scholarship.
Your appeal to the authority of academic anthropologists is an exercise in circular reasoning. Universities are controlled by leftists who seek the radical redefintion of our culture and, therefore, don’t tolerate the opinions of those who do not subscribe to the leftist worldview. The radicals control the hiring and tenuring processes and systematically exclude those with whom they disagree. It is in the nature of academia that universities, despite their self-image as bastions of free-thought, are, in fact, among the most hidebound institutions in existence. Always have been, always will be.
Do some cultures define sex roles differently than our culture does? To some extent, yes, but the differences are generally not all that great and the mere existence of some differences doesn’t mean that sex role definitions are arbitrary or that all definitions are equally useful or equally desireable. Western culture dominates the globe. Why radically change that which has worked so well? In particular, why elevate the sex role definitions in a “noble-savage” fantasy version of Navajo culture above that of our own as you have? There is nothing about Navajo culture that recommends it as worthy of replacing our own other than a dogmatic desire on the part of leftists to tear down our culture as it currently exists by celebrating fabricated versions of other cultures.
You have offered an interpretation of traditional Navajo culture as, unlike our own culture, having three “genders”, masculine, feminine and “inter-gender” with “inter-gender” being the gender that everyone is born into. Has it ever occurred to you that what you are really describing is not a society with three genders, but a society like most others that treats individuals as children until they undergo a rite of passage into adulthood at which point the individual is expected to adopt the behaviors and responsibilities of adult sex roles? I think that if you give it a little thought, you will come to realize that the whole Navajo “three gender” narrative is a load of hooey concocted specifically for the purpose of suggesting to naive and guillible students that sex roles differ greatly from culture-to-culture in order to lessen their resistance to the idea that sex roles in our society can and should be radically altered. The same goes for the “2-spirit” narrative that is sometimes advanced to suggest that Amerindian cultures readily accepted homosexuality.
Girls are girls, boys are boys – live with it.
July 24, 2012 at 6:06 pm
narner
There is a 2000 year old Irish legend about a mother who had lsot her husband and sons to war. she did not want he last son to grow up and find the same fate. So she took only female servants and set up a home far from society. she then cursed her son so that he could never use armor or weapons.
One day two wondering solders rode by their farm. The boy had never seen men. He was so impressed by them and he wanted to be like them. So to get around the curse and be the hero he wanted to be he but a cooking pot on his head and grabbed a long cooking fork and set out on adventure.
The story goes on and on how he had to go through various mystical triles to lift the curse.
Point being is that that story is 2000 years old and is the same story of what happens when feminists mothers deny their boys to be boys.
Another more recent example is my grand father. Up until the Age of 6 my great grandmother not only dressed grandpa as a little girl but told him he was a little girl. I have seen the old photos. They lived on one of the many small Islands in western Canada. When they moved to Vancouver island and he started going to school He went through such hell that he resented her ever seance. By the way after rejecting his mothers attempts and raising him as a girl he grew up to be the best example of masculinity I had as a child. Responsible manly kind ,brave and ready to take action when needed.
September 7, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Bob the Chef
Joseph – You see, people like you are the problem. You are the type of person that fuels the flames of feminism today. While sexual attraction is normal, lust is a perversion. Christ (not a fan of feminists) said “a man who lusts after a woman has already committed adultery in his heart”. Feminism is more of a power game than an honest evaluation of wrong cultural tendencies. What you’re describe is not masculinity, it’s depravity. It’s not natural. Know the difference. This part of what draws the line between men and boys: boys may lust (though this is to a large degree determined by culture and upbringing; maybe you weren’t raised properly, either in Victorian sexual taboo or the opposite perversion), but real men experience at sexual attraction which doesn’t control them like it does these 30-40 year old man-boys walking around today.
July 6, 2014 at 9:07 am
Not_Deceived
You have created your own dichotomy in which there is only male with a certain set of characteristics, and female with its own set. Characteristics or traits are not inherently “male” or “female”, but we associate certain traits with a certain gender. Such as strong male leaders as passionate and driven, but strong female leaders as bossy/pushy. This is the kind of difference we are talking about, which ( I really doubt ) cannot be put down to biology. Discussions around gender equality/feminism and all that stuff often quickly fall into “men will never give birth” etc. This is a straw man and completely misses the point of what feminism is: equality for individuals to express gender as they wish. Why should a woman be criticised for having “male” characteristics, or vice versa. It’s about freeing PEOPLE ( not “women”, or “men”, or “trans” ) from the constraints of gender. The distinctions between “sex” and “gender” is an important one, lumping these terms together is plain conflation and normally a result of our bias toward keeping things simple: as Max^^ explains, these issues are more complicated than they first seem, whether we like it or not, and it’s difficult to come to terms with the ambiguity.
October 1, 2011 at 4:01 pm
gothelittle
You’re right, but wrong, respectfully.
Gender roles within society don’t appear out of nowhere. They are formed as a function of the sexual roles, with which you are born. For instance, the man protects the woman. A feminist would say that this is for no other reason than the man wants to be a misogynist. In fact, the bonding hormone in a man, vasopressin, drives his behavior towards protection of his mate and children. His societal gender role is a function of his physical body.
That doesn’t mean that a man cannot nurture or that it is wrong for him to do so. It simply means that he is going to nurture in his own way due to the chemicals in his brain, and societal roles reflect that.
The error of feminists is their assumption that there is no correlation between sexual characteristics and gender roles. They believe that women would be fine protectors and men would be fine primary nurturers if not for the evil patriarchal system set up on purpose to oppress women.
Now men can nurture and women can protect, but they’re not designed to take these on as primary roles. So what you have when feminism takes over is both men and women competing against each other, both of them handicapped in both competitions as a function of not physically being the opposite gender. Society as a whole suffers.
I say again, because this is the key: Gender roles in society are formed as a function of sexual characteristics.
October 18, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Bifocal
Well said gothelittle: Can you remember when Feminists vociferously denied that hormones had anything to do with gender specificity – they claimed it was all male oriented scientific gobbledigook aimed at destroying female equality. They stated (and some still do) that “all” women are capable of doing the same tasks as “all” men. Today, steroid and hormonal supplements have apparently rewarded these naieve females with their greatest fantasies; they can now be men! As for questioning the emotional, psychological and physiological deficiencies they might be suffering, that would just be the work of jealous misogynists. Perhaps but who is actually accused of being the hater of women here? Is it men (every single one of us) or is it those women who have gone too far in identifying themselves as/with men?
Please tell me this is all a bad dream and when I wake up, I will be able to love women for all the things that we men are lacking! Otherwise I think I might become a misanthrope of the (so-called) educated and civilised world and be prepared to let the fanatical (real misogynists) wipe out all human development/invention; the same way the Egyptians, Mesopatamians, Jews, Greeks, Romans and (ancient and current) Americans have let their civilsation crumble from inside.
The decline of our current civilsation will not be brought about by Feminism: It will be brought on by the unending greed of corporate determinism. Unfortunately, Feminism will be the corporation’s greatest ally because for all they can see, feminists still believe that what we men created is the pinnacle of human achievement and corporate domination represents all things masculine, (despite the 70% female uptake in employment).
Feminism has never truly looked forward: Like the Tutsis in Rwanda, it only has revenge in its sights: Feminists will justify retrogressive political vengeance the same way the Taliban reacts to perceived “Christian Hegemonic assaults on their territory”. Feminism at heart is nothing more than a political movement like the Taliban: It seduces women (and some men) prone to grandiose ideals from the Medrassa’s of poverty, Family Court disputation, parental alienation and half-baked academic solidarity.
I suspect if Humanity is to survive; future civilisations will have sorted all this shit out and have recognised that the reason nature created gender was simply to create new genetic parents.
March 26, 2013 at 12:46 am
Anonymous
To assume that because correlation between sexual characteristics and gender roles exists, sexual characteristics and gender roles will always be the same way; is an inherently wrong and erroneous assumption. Correlation doesn’t imply causation first off, an old rule to be honest. Secondly, what the correlation does imply, is that the majority of men are inclined to be men and the majority of women are inclined to be women. This is TO BE EXPECTED.
What it does not say is the following: There are no men born with male sexual characteristics who are inclined to female gender roles. There are no women born with female sex characteristics who are inclined to male gender roles.
Those two statements are false in a very small amount of the population, however they do exist. Just because you have a farm with 1000 white and black horses, does not mean you can claim that brown horses do not exist for certain unless you know that your horses are the only horses in the entire world. If a flip a coin 100 times, you would expect about 50 heads and 50 tales, obviously. However there is a rare amount of times you will get 80 heads – 20 tales or something as drastic. The main issue is people cover eachother with blanket statements which do not apply to the entire population. If you cover the majority of the population, you get this ridiculous idea that you’re ‘right’.
In summary (TLDR); Yes the majority of people with male sex characteristics are inclined to be men, and the majority of people with female sex characteristics are inclined to be women. There however does exist a small number of people who do not fit your categories, and pretending they don’t exist because you want to be right is arrogant and a failure to adhere to academic standards.
March 24, 2014 at 4:32 am
cristalexi
Men are not protectors as is evidenced by the fact that most crimes are commited by people that are known to the victim. So the only people family members need protecting from are other family members. The only thing men (and women) protect is their own interests.
December 24, 2013 at 9:45 am
Carlos Doering
U just wrote the stupidest comment I have ever read. I want to debate u.
January 4, 2014 at 5:45 pm
Anonymous
You are dumb as shit and a feminist. You must be part of the turn all men into sissys movement I guess when guys are all faggots our gender won’t be a social construct in your eyes that’s what it sounds like you believe. Real men are naturally the way they are supposed to be technically our society that you believe ‘molds gender behavior’ is also natural so our behavior hasn’t changed that much with it except for men are more under control.
February 19, 2014 at 12:25 pm
Brian Davidson
Only if you claim that playing sports makes you a male, or doing cooking makes you a female.
Btw: Gender is the polite & more accurate term for sex.
March 28, 2014 at 8:37 am
Vlad
I believe this social experiment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer clearly shows that gender is more than just a social construct.
May 21, 2014 at 9:10 pm
JoWrites
What a nice slap in the face to all the transgender children and adults we have in the world.
January 17, 2015 at 5:34 pm
Joy Rose
Shall we ban any children’s learning song that involves ten fingers and ten toes, lest we deliver a “nice” slap in the face to “all” the polydactyl children and adults in the world?
January 22, 2015 at 9:52 am
JoWrites
I’m wondering if the comment I was replying to is gone, because I’m not seeing the context of what I was replying to. But my comment is the same as the ones above and below mine talking about how gender is NOT a social construct.
But your comment doesn’t make any sense as a reply to mine either. Fingers aren’t a social construct just like gender isn’t a social construct. So if someone was saying that having ten finger and toes is a social construct, then it would be a slap in their face to say the problems they face for not having ten fingers and ten toes aren’t real.
But no one would ever say that is just a social construct. It doesn’t even make sense. Not that it makes a lot of sense to say that gender is a social construct either, but at least there are parts of it that society controls instead of biology.
January 22, 2015 at 12:06 pm
Joy Rose
Your original comment to which I replied was, “What a nice slap in the face to all the transgender children and adults we have in the world.”
I was pointing out that if any discussion on gender is a slap in the face to transgenders, then any nursery song about fingers and toes is a slap in the face to polydactyls.
If your point is that gender is not a social construct, then ‘transgender’ as the transgender crowd define it can’t even exist. They, unlike transsexuals, define themselves as people who believe that they should be the “opposite gender” (social construct, as they define it) but *not* expected to become the opposite sex (surgery and/or hormones).
If you’re making a joke, I’m sorry, I didn’t see it… I keep running into people who are saying these things seriously.
July 10, 2014 at 3:21 pm
Anonymous
No. Girls and guys are physically very diffrent and more diffrent on the inside than out. The reason girls are more nurturing (generally) has nothing to do in the slightest with how she was brought up. As an atheist I can say I believe there is no such thing as a soul, so I also believe that Everything we think is based on a complex set of chemicals in our body and the diffrent ratios of Theese chemicals ((testosterone, estrogen) to name the biggest two that you’ve probobly heard of))control how we are and just as much as a penis or vaginia or breasts or prostate defines your gender. Gender Is absolutly real but no one shoud be judged by it
July 10, 2014 at 3:28 pm
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No. Girls and guys are physically very diffrent and more diffrent on the inside than out. The reason girls are more nurturing (generally) has nothing to do in the slightest with how she was brought up. As an atheist I can say I believe there is no such thing as a soul, so I also believe that Everything we think is based on a complex set of chemicals in our body and the diffrent ratios of Theese chemicals (testosterone, estrogen) to name the biggest two that you’ve probobly heard of))
August 31, 2014 at 7:45 pm
Anonymous
“gender IS a social construction.” Tell that to transgender advocates. Tell that to transgender advocates while saying anyone who is gender non conforming on more then half of social constructs should be considered transgender. I suggest you where some safety clothing while doing it though.
November 24, 2014 at 9:38 pm
Anonymous
I think Max is right, but he’s missing the point of the article. The article is saying that there is scientific backing for societal constructs of gender. The point is that feminist claim that gender concept hold them down, but the article is saying that though gender is a societal construct, it is there for a reason. Men didn’t convene one day to decide that women get the crappy jobs in society.
July 7, 2015 at 7:13 am
Anonymous
gender is not social we have had genders since we became humans not when we decided to become male or female
October 3, 2015 at 3:08 am
Monkehs
What? Gender isn’t a social construct? From the Mantis that consumes her husband post coitus to the fish that inspect her mates nest to judge whether he is worthy of hosting her eggs, nature is literally and almost absolutely filled with gender roles. Its simple. Most are biological, or have a biological basis. There isn’t anything in the developed world keeping you from doing what you want–except a hostile and uninformed view of the male gender, and a belief that the world owes women something.
February 15, 2017 at 7:02 am
Willpower
So men are raised to act and have the roles of women in tahiti because they lack females, and thoses men Réré turn out to become gay most of the time, due to their education.
Some of them become heterosexual but it’s a minority, I have not problems with sexual orientation, half my friends are gay, women and men. Just saying maybee it’s not such a bad thing to continue raising our children in their respected roles.
March 20, 2009 at 9:01 pm
NewlySingle
Guys,
time to join the free man on the land movement…you can google it…it is everywhere…but you can start here. http://www.freemanhighland.co.uk/index.htm
The idea is that you can reject being governed and then are harmless from all statutes….you can refuse to pay taxes…..and just live under the law of the land….millions of men do this? We kill off our toxic governments who have promoted feminism as a way to divide and conquer the population. After all, feminism was just one tool of the Illuminati to corrupt society and to destroy it to be able to take it over….
August 17, 2015 at 5:57 pm
Deucalion
Would you idiots please stop spamming your scam all over the place?
January 9, 2017 at 3:28 pm
Roy Fenimore
Yes! If you’re ever arrested for anything, you can claim that the laws passed by our elected representatives don’t apply to you because you don’t agree to be bound by them. Or claim the court doesn’t have jurisdiction because the American flag in the courtroom has fringe on it. And the judge will just gnash his teeth in impotent fury and grudgingly release you….. Oh. No they won’t they’ll just tell you you’re wrong and try you anyway.
July 2, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Rajesh Kumar
The present state is the biggest feminist.
State need reasons for its existence. The inefficient and corrupt instituion, state is, it cannot do much productive work- hence it makes itself relevant by creating one class of person as victim and another class of person as exploiter. Some time it is black and white, men and women- in future it can be humans and animals.
September 27, 2009 at 11:36 am
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May 17, 2015 at 8:22 pm
Deucalion
Jesus, not one of you morons. Go back.to.your cave, primate.
April 28, 2010 at 7:03 pm
A user
I think men are better at everything, including verbal communication. Great communicators, writers, poets, they are all men.
November 27, 2011 at 10:41 pm
gothelittle
Women used to write under a man’s pen name, and some still do. You might be surprised to find how many women’s-written works you’ve praised. 🙂
August 5, 2013 at 8:58 am
Larry fine
Who? How many? Tell us u asshole! Out of thousands of writers, how many are female? Can I count them on my hand?
November 1, 2013 at 11:58 am
Joy Rose
Larry: No, no, judging from your other comments, you probably could not count them.
Even if you used your hands.
February 19, 2014 at 12:29 pm
Brian Davidson
Actually, more men write under a woman’s name these days than the other way round, particularly in fiction writing.
Btw: There are good male & good female authors, and you’re missing out on a lot if you only read material written by one gender.
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January 27, 2011 at 10:41 pm
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Picking nice studies to prove your point.
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August 9, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Anonymous
Guess what! Sex is constructed, too! Pick up some Judith Butler.
(Link added by myself – E.F.)
December 26, 2011 at 10:22 am
William Braddell
Tell me, what would actually falsify the feminist claim that gender (and in Butler’s case, sex) are a social construction? It seems as if no matter what evidence is brought before them against this view, feminists find some way to explain it all away. Sounds like feminism fails the scientific method and for something claiming to be an empirical ideology, thats deadly serious.
November 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Lithp
Falsification does not mean that you are obligated to abandon the theory when someone merely attempts to prove it wrong. I don’t know how you could “disprove” evolution either, but it’s falsifiable because it makes specific claims that can be tested. The reason you can’t disprove social constructionism is very simple, no matter what supposedly male-based behavior that you throw out, I could find women who practice it, & vice versa. Wearing pink, playing sports, drinking beer, thinking about sex, parental feelings, aggression, lack of aggression, decorating skill, cooking skill, art skill, math interest…when you think about it, the vast majority of what you think of as relating to gender are arbitrary social conventions.
August 21, 2011 at 10:35 am
Anonymous
Feminism is a social construct.
August 21, 2011 at 10:37 am
Anonymous
Feminists say that God is a woman. If that’s true, can the Devil be a woman too?
May 28, 2016 at 8:49 am
Aria
//glances at most popular fiction and depictions of satan in popular culture entertaiment//
Yes. Yes it can.
November 5, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Jeanne-Michelle Lavigne
What a surprise, this post is written by a man.
November 6, 2011 at 2:25 pm
gothelittle
And women agree with it. Does that make *us* irrelevant, too?
November 27, 2011 at 10:32 pm
scatmaster
You sound fat.
Do you own a cat as well?
December 21, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Anonymous
Why would you even ask that? Would being overweight and owning a cat somehow make her words any less legitimate? I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that only fit people who don’t own cats are allowed to post their views on the internet.
November 29, 2014 at 2:28 pm
Dennis
Anon, how the hell do you not the see the hypocrisy in your comment? The OP is dismissing the authors view because he’s male.
December 24, 2013 at 9:48 am
Carlos Doering
Written by a man or not he gave you the resources to look it up yourself. All he did is repeat what was alreadh studied by someone else. U r a joke
November 29, 2014 at 2:20 pm
Dennis
Wow, what a horribly oppressive patriarchy we live in where only women are allowed to have opinions on anything gender related.
November 29, 2014 at 2:28 pm
Anonymous
What a surprise, this bigotted, factophobic comment was written by a woman.
March 6, 2016 at 7:44 pm
Anonymous
Apparently men’s views are worthless in your eyes
December 26, 2011 at 10:23 am
William Braddell
Transsexuals prove that gender is innate. If it were socially learnt then how could they identify with one gender when they were raised as another?
August 28, 2012 at 11:39 am
Jason
This is my favorite point to throw at gender-relativists (most of whom are male do-gooders i argue with). What about transgender? Or gay males and females for that matter. Gays themselves will recognize that they have certain personality traits. Are you going to tell them that’s all a social construct?
September 2, 2012 at 10:36 am
Sally Forth
Some people have a genetic predetermination to alcoholism. But when a significant percentage of a country’s population winds up lying drunk in the streets on a regular basis, you look at the culture, not the genes.
People have certain personality traits, congratulations. The problem with our culture is when it decides that if a boy likes serving tea, or designing clothing, that he must really be a girl inside and he needs to be made to “understand” that and “accept” it or he’ll be “repressed” his whole life.
Forcing a homosexual designation on less dominant males is a brutal act meant to demean and dominate among social animals in nature.
June 27, 2013 at 7:11 am
Anonymous
And what about intersexed individuals?
March 24, 2014 at 5:03 am
cristalexi
Yes, and what about transvestites/crossdressers which are mainly male to female? Isn’t that due to the constraints of constructed gender roles? Women are allowed a lot of diversity in dressing whereas men are severely restricted. Some of those men look better than women, lol. Seriously though, if men had a lot more choice in their dress maybe they wouldn’t need to go to such extremes. This is just ONE example of how gender roles are constructed.
July 21, 2014 at 7:53 pm
Rob
Sally Forth makes a false comparison. Here’s why:
Some people have a genetic predisposition to alcoholism. True.
But when a significant population of humans seems to have shown the same symptoms from the same effects throughout history across every single culture (there have been “gender roles” throughout every single human culture throughout all of time) – then we have to conclude there is something about alcohol that is innately harmful to humans.
Concluding then that it was a social effect would simply be bad science.
November 1, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Lithp
Having a “gender,” in the sense that you physically recognize what sex you’re “supposed to be,” is innate, however, that is not what people mean 99% of the time when they talk about “gender.” What most people refer to most of the time is things like “men are better leaders than women.” Some would say that’s a “biological FACT.” Feminists would say that it’s a social construct.
July 21, 2014 at 7:55 pm
Rob
yes. That is what reasonable people would assume. But I have debated with enough feminists to know that they mean to say every difference between men and women which you cannot see physically is a social construct.
September 21, 2015 at 1:28 pm
Brittany
Hormonal imbalances. Often the cause of “feelings” such as “I was born in the wrong body,” “I should be a man,” etc are from a disproportional amount of the opposite hormone. Since men typically have more testosterone than estrogen, they have the “male” tendencies and thus feel more “manly.” If they have more estrogen, they will feel more feminine or “womanly.” It’s not because they are supposed to be a woman; their hormones are off.
December 26, 2011 at 8:08 pm
BA BA Bull shit!
I can only speak of what i have experenced….I held a job for several years as a mechanic, I hold a degree for welding… and never in my time there had I been written up for any thing…..I made less pay than the people who were hired in and was expected to train them also….I worked more hours than my male counter parts in most instances….I could work that plant from operating, QC , mechanic and group leader…..all for less that some guy that had been there less than 48 hours and with no degree in shit!….Hmmmm , I just wonder where all these studies come from???/…..I wasn’t asked any questions for any study. Just remember that whilr ya’ll are trying all the studies to see whats fair…..IT WAS A WOMAN WHO TAUGHT YOU TO WIPE YOUR ON ASS….Now thats priceless!
December 26, 2011 at 11:29 pm
John Miller
http://Human-Stupidity.com will write about the wage gap myth in the next few days. In the meantime you can check YouTube and Google for Warren Farrell “Why men earn more”
You must be working in a small company. To earn more
a) look for a BIG company that urgently needs female welders for gender diversification
b) consider working on off shore oil rigs or in Alaska. Gets you extra pay for danger, for long hours, for unpleasant environment. Add to that the dearth of women who want to work that way and the despair of large companies that need to employ women, you ought to earn a HUGE salary, more then men in the same situation, and much much more as in an average company
April 12, 2012 at 9:35 am
A Deeper Thinker
Dear BBBS,
if you were paid less than your co-workers, then you should have found another job instead of complaining about how underpaid you were. I don’t know why you think that having a welding degree (certification?) entitled you to high pay as a mechanic and I also don’t know why you believe that you could have held most any job in the facility. The jobs you mentioned have wildly different skill sets and, unless you have actually held similar positions in all those areas, you can’t know that you could have competently performed all those job functions. You don’t know what you don’t know. You may think that you could have been a good group leader, but unless you have experience as a group leader, you can’t know exactly what is expected of a group leader and whether you could satisfy those expectations.
Living on envy, bitterness and resentment is poisonous. Try to adopt a more positive attitude. Cheers.
March 19, 2014 at 8:19 pm
dowel
False. It was my father.
December 26, 2011 at 8:37 pm
gothelittle
The reason why studies use the word “on average” or “median” is because some women earn less than a man in the same position, while other women earn more.
The median U.S. household income is currently $50,233. Should I get on some political page and rant that the statistic is wrong because my household doesn’t make that much? “I wonder where all these studies come from. Nobody asked me what my household income was. Clearly it’s all wrong.”
You are one woman. There are 157.2 million females in the United States. I am another woman. When I was working full-time as a programmer/analyst and then as a software engineer, I consistently earned higher than my male counterparts.
By the way, who taught you how to wipe your off ass?
December 27, 2011 at 10:08 pm
BA BA Bullshit
My mom you stupid bitch……i guess shit didn’t stick to your higher paid ass…..so glad you were ONE of the Females that didn’t get screwed….and all my counter parts were men…Ever turned a wrench…..oh no…just a heel most likely……didn’t post for you to just so you could be a kill joy…..and why don’t you just get on a plane and bring your higher paid ass over here, I can show better than i can tell ya! The only damn thing your working is a damn pen…
January 3, 2012 at 8:20 pm
gothelittle
Did Feminism teach you that it was ok to hate, demean, and tear down women as long as they didn’t agree with you? I would’ve expected to hear this kind of tirade from the Oppressive Patriarchal Men that Feminism keeps trying to warn me about.
Yet somehow, all the angry, insult-flinging, profanity-screaming people I’ve seen trying to shut me up and take away my rights have been women. Specifically, Feminists.
You also make a myriad of bizarre assumptions that would make the people who know me laugh if they read them. Software Engineer isn’t the only career I’ve ever had, believe it or not. I’m a real person with real experiences, not the strawman puppet Feminists like you think I am. I’ve been a software engineer, a programmer/analyst, a computer lab technician, a computer lab manager, an adjunct college professor, a Calculus tutor, a convenience store worker, a child care worker, a librarian’s assistant, a small business owner, and a personal computer repair technician… The smallest company I worked for had one employee, largest one had over 70,000. And that’s just the jobs I’ve gotten paid for!
Women are human beings too, and it’s time Feminists like you started treating us like it!
November 19, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Milk
Dear Gothelittle, I appreciate most of your comments and deeply convinced that u did performe in the professional field.
August 5, 2013 at 9:03 am
Larry fine
What a loser. You base your value on the decimal point. So typical of a woman. However out of everything you mentioned you left out one important fact. You are Fat unattractive piece of man hating shit. The picture shows some kind of blob with a slave standing behind it. Feminists are the scum of the earth. Much like Nazis and Islamic extremists. It’s all the same thing. Those with superiority complexes will forever feel as though they have the right to oppress others.
November 1, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Lithp
Out of curiosity, what rights have “Feminists” attempted to strip you of?
November 1, 2013 at 4:11 pm
gothelittle
Lithp – Feminists consistently tell me that *if* I dare to oppose modern feminism’s goals, *then* I should not be allowed to vote or own property. They tell me that I should not be permitted to homeschool my children, because I should be working for a wage outside the home instead, and I am specifically harming *them* (the feminists) by not doing so. They demean and belittle me for choosing the traditional female role within a household, and tell me that society should give me no more rights than a slave, because they think I am one.
In the workplace, when I was working a career, they consistently tried to shove me into people management roles because I’m female and competent. Yes, I’m competent… to write code. And unlike the majority of female programmers, I’m really good at it, as good as any man. I would have liked to be allowed to take the technical track, but I’m a woman, so I’m supposed to “help break the glass ceiling” instead, because management is more “important” than coding.
Now that’s just the stuff aimed at me directly. Indirectly, addressing the case of women that they do not know applies to me, feminists have stated that I should never have been born at all, and I should not have been allowed to have so many children (I have three).
November 1, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Lithp
The first example sounds rhetorical, on the other hand, it does seem like you know some shitty people.
April 26, 2014 at 2:58 am
Kori Gaila
I just love your responses gothelittle:)
April 12, 2012 at 9:45 am
A Deeper Thinker
Dear BBBS,
the anger and hostility in your comments suggest that you are a union worker. Trying moving to a right-to-work state. If being uniionized does not explain your nastiness, than perhaps an unattractive disposition is simply part of your personality.
Maybe your low-pay and a lack of advancement opportunities could be remedied by a sweeter demeaner, especially if you work mostly with men. Most men prefer women with pleasant personalities and, like it or not, getting along with one’s co-workers is an important aspect of one’s job performance.
November 1, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Lithp
Holy shit, that was sexist to both women AND men.
December 28, 2013 at 3:35 am
Matrim Cauthon
@lithp: Why don’t you elaborate which part of above is “sexist” remark let along to both men and women? Do you prefer to work with nasty personalities instead and project yourself onto others?
March 15, 2014 at 11:08 pm
Zed
Some people might call this sexist but it’s actually just realistic. Humans aren’t machines, so they are bound to have some biases and predispositions. Appealing to those biases within reason is a great way to manipulate people into liking you.
Obviously for those women (and men!) out there who think that I’m implying that you should sleep with someone to get ahead, I’ll stop you right there. There are lines that you don’t cross, you need to use that brain that you have between your ears to make sound decisions. If you know your boss (regardless of gender) likes a nicer, sweeter woman, and you are a woman, you could always try being that nicer, sweeter person in front of them. Certainly men who know their bosses (regardless of gender) prefer a strong, outspoken and confident man, will try to BE that man, even if they aren’t.
Apparently it’s not okay to ask women to be nicer but for men to be more confident is perfectly fine. Two way street people.
July 5, 2016 at 4:18 am
Thehillshaveeyes
From BBBS’s comment alone,
I would think this person acts super irritated all the time. Period jokes aside I have to agree I think you can probably get paid more for having a more pleasant personality. Especially since those people typically get along great with others, meaning they probably have more friends which may mean more doors to better jobs if you know the right people 🙂
December 21, 2014 at 7:20 am
Anonymous
You’re a complete sack of crap BA BA Bullshit. Gothelittle makes valid, logical points in a polite and reasonable manner and because she’s disagreeing with you, you start slinging shit like a bratty kid? Do the world a favor and go fuck yourself.
January 17, 2015 at 1:25 am
Rob
BBS is that “male violence” you’re showing? Did you get that from your “privilege” or the “patriarchy” or both?
February 18, 2012 at 2:38 am
Keith Dubois
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June 28, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Jesper
5. Myth: Women have been shortchanged in medical research: As all myths go they have a kernel of truth, namely that women were usually excluded as human test subjects when developing new medicine.
However, we must consider the technological level at that time, and if we do that we soon realize that it was a lot harder to test for pregnancy than it is today. So just imagine the catastrophe if pregnant women had been included as test subjects back then: it might have led to horribly deformed or sick children, if it didn’t just lead to stillborn babies and lots of spontaneous abortions due to medicinal poisoning.
So like so many other “strange things” in history this was not done to oppress women or profess negligence of their value as human beings, it was actually done to protect them and couples’ offspring from accidental harm.
9. Myth: Gender is a social construction: the whole nurture vs. nature argument is flawed because one group is comprised of 100% social constructionists that do not understand biology, and thus doesn’t understand that there are innate biological differences that express themselves in the social/cultural traditions of a society. There is a wonderful book that looks into the controversy by Ullika Segerstråle: “The Defenders of the Truth”.
Also, these social constructionists will often gravitate towards – and be reinforced by – Marxist notions that consider pretty much everything to be a function of the social. Hence Communist attempts at creating a utopia on Earth. Also note how almost any Marxist analysis of classes can have a few words replaced and then it resembles pretty much anything feminism has conjured up. Prime examples are: the working class is replaced by women as the oppressed class; anything Capitalism does is designed to hurt workers and in feminism that is replaced by men taking the role of Capitalists, Capitalism is itself replaced by “Patriarchy”, and the family replaces the company; employees that are quite happy are accused of “false consciousness” by Communists, while women who love men and can easily orgasm with them are just “serving Patriarchy”.
December 28, 2013 at 3:41 am
Matrim Cauthon
@Jesper
Yes, feminism is a poor copycat of communism, which although failed, was at least a genuine innovation of the time.
Communism failed because it was both a flawed theory and economic philosophy. Countries under communism are run by absolute powers with rampant corruption, and citizens became poorer and poorer everyday, with capital-based countries (even socialism) running them around circles.
Feminism should study the outcome of communist countries – they point the way to the societies they will create.
July 24, 2012 at 3:04 pm
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July 24, 2012 at 11:44 pm
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three people stood in the dark staring at two amorphous shapes in the distance. the first shouted “those are different! the first one is a green cube; the other one is a blue sphere!” the second person said “no, they are both non-existent, and the shapes are the result of the passing clouds.” the third one went out to the shapes with a flashlight and shouted back “well, there are some structural differences; this one has some pointy edges and includes partial shades of green, like the other one, but slightly more so; this other one has a blue spot on it, and some smooth surfaces, but it, too has its pointy qualities. there are also a lot of clouds over here.” Upon hearing this, observer 1 started a big website called I TOLD YOU IT WAS A GREEN CUBE AND A BLUE SPHERE, IT’S SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN, CUBES ARE CUBES AND THEY ARE GREEN AND SPHERES ARE SPHERES AND THEY ARE BLUE DOT COM. Observer 2 was no longer there to make a statement, having gone to hide in a tiny, windowless room at the university, at which meetings were held for many hours a day, in which all of the participants loudly accused the person with the flashlight of being a toady for the person who was posting big fuzzy pictures of cubes and spheres all over the internet. All the people with flashlights rolled their eyes and moved on to a cognitive neuroscience website, where data could just be data and no one would stand screaming in the dark or in tiny rooms about what other people saw.
September 3, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Mathilda
Is being so preoccupied with the ontological status of gender that you spend this much time on a gender blog the result of innate predisposition or social conditioning? I think that’s a more interesting question. My other question is: If gender qualities are entirely determined by biology, does that mean that you guys aren’t ass holes, or just that you can’t help it?
September 10, 2012 at 8:00 am
Jason
Why is is being an ass hole to require the same level of fact checking of feminist sources as any other source? Every ideology has it’s myths and urban legends that get spread because they “sound good”. I’m all supportive of female empowerment, but there needs to be internal fact-checking. Otherwise most of your efforts will be as ineffective as Don Quixote tilting at windmills.
Incomplete or inaccurate information can cause efforts to be misdirected.
@Mathilda: You claim moral superiority, but you come here calling people ass holes, without offering a refutation of a single point raise.
September 10, 2012 at 10:41 am
gothelittle
In other words, you don’t like what the writer has to say, but you can’t really refute it, so you just decide to be a seagull commenter in hopes that some of us will care what some random person who prefers insults to logic thinks about us.
If this is what feminism turns people into, well, I’m not interested!
August 5, 2013 at 9:12 am
Larry fine
Why refute the comments of an idiot especially if they are based in the absurd? Again you begin the process of trying to ‘one up’ another individual. Most supremacists feel the need to intellectually trap their prey. Often the boundaries as defined are narrow thus preventing the possibility of original thought. You control the dialog and the outcome. Classic behavior that stems from the perception that men are stupid. You gain a sense of control and power from the little games you play. It’s too bad that you have such a low sense of self. What you truly are comes across so clearly in your writing.
November 1, 2013 at 11:57 am
Joy Rose
I’d have to say, “Larry Fine” is the first person I’ve known to criticize me for being a feminist because I claimed that I am not a feminist and refuse to be one.
October 9, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Anonymous
Sounds like someone’s been heartbroken before
September 10, 2012 at 8:25 am
Jason
One example worth discussion is that there are claims from some feminist sources that 95%+ of domestic violence is against women, and that “1-5%” is against men (note how they cleverly turned 5% into 1%), and they dismiss that “1-5%” as purely verbal.
When in fact:
“Data from Home Office statistical bulletins and the British Crime Survey show that men made up about 40% of domestic violence victims each year between 2004-05 and 2008-09, the last year for which figures are available. In 2006-07 men made up 43.4% of all those who had suffered partner abuse in the previous year, which rose to 45.5% in 2007-08 but fell to 37.7% in 2008-09.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence
How exactly is saying that victims of both genders should be equally protected “sexist” or being an “ass hole”? if men went around claiming ONLY men could be victims, and only women could be abusers, ignoring the reality of actual victims. that would be equally unacceptable.
September 10, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Mathilda
I’ll make this easy for you. I was joking. Secondly, I wasn’t referring to your comments, which have little to do with the ontological status of gender per se, but rather seek to call attention to people whose mistreatment is unacknowledged in the standardized narratives. I was making fun of people who use this forum not simply to refute the myths of second wave feminism, but to reinforce their own monilithic gender myths. I take their facts and statistics as true, tentatively. It is a great non sequitur to point out the very real evidence for biological differences, and jump to the conclusion that these very real differences actually support one’s own narrow and one dimensional gender templates: “See! Men are Men; Women are Women!” This kind of argumentation attempts to perform surgery with a club. You, on the other hand, appear to be advocating for the great mass of males who do not (italics) fit these standard gender templates, those who are victims of abuse, and thus in unacknowledged social positions, experiencing physical and psychological trauma which has been traditionally labeled as “female.” In doing this, you are specifically addressing the breadth of the spectrum of human personality and gender expression, of which our biological differences are, of course, a part. You are quite the opposite of what I was attempting to make light of. It should be noted that such a binary and simplistic attitude about gender difference is probably one of the greatest crimes of the “Feminism” being refered to here, and it should not be replicated on any pretext. The other problem here–and I have no idea where you stand on it–is the use of the term “Feminism,” as though there were a single, concise, falsifiable body of doctrine with exclusive title to that name. It is as inaccurate as referring to Men or Women or Trucks as total categories when what one means is Soldier, Nurse, Chevy. The “Feminism” that this blog is targeting is also the primary critical target of many other bodies of thought which refer to themselves by that name. In the colloquial terminology of contemporary Anarcha-Feminism, the targets of this blogs vitriol are referred to as “a bunch of PC 2nd Wave Cunts” and other contemptible epithets. In the hifalutin monk cells of academe, they are thought of as the necessary inverse which constitutes the binary totallity of structure which is systematically reinforced by all of their acts of alleged resistance, i.e. an essential component of the problem. Why shoot into a crowd with a shotgun when you need a lazer scope? Again, I don’t think You did that. You’re obviously a verey sensitive fellow. I’m sorry you didn’t think I was funny. I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings
March 15, 2014 at 11:18 pm
Zed
If I said you were a bitch and later said I was joking and called you sensitive I’d be crucified, so I’m not joking.
September 20, 2012 at 7:37 pm
None of your business
You really need to check your facts. Feminism is about equal gender rights between men and women. It’s not about cutting down men or getting power. It’s not even about how many women get raped (which, FYI, you really shouldn’t talk about the way you did because it IS a serious issue) it’s about equalitiy.
September 30, 2012 at 11:40 am
Anonymous
“None of your business”, I recommend you look up at the other comments in this very thread… you don’t even have to look further than that… to see how feminists are treating men and behaving about power.
And if we can’t discuss frankly any issue labeled “serious”, our culture will die a horrible death. The more serious the issue, the *more* it needs to be discussed, even – especially – the parts that people don’t like to hear.
August 5, 2013 at 9:22 am
Larry fine
The National Socialists were about “reform” and bringing Germany back to a golden age of strong values and economic prosperity. All hate movements use the same rhetoric to justify their existence. However the means that they use to achieve results brings much into question. Feminism has laid waste to much of the world. There is no equality, feminism is about white female privilege, division and superiority. It is a system that is build on the hatred and disenfranchisement of all Men. And much like the National Socialist Movement. It too will fall and is falling. The great war will bring many things back into balance. However the backlash against women will be swift and brutal. But you reap what you sew. The hearts and minds of millions of boys who have been the victims of this tide of anti-male resentment will not forget when the day comes for them act. The Call of duty will be heard across this world and women will pay for what they have done. Don’t believe me? Watch the news and see the conflict in the making. Everyone knows what is coming. Sorry women but the laws, police and feminists are not going to protect you. Your privileges are on the way out. There will be balance.
March 17, 2014 at 9:42 am
is this a joke? who's really this dense?
haha are you trying to be funny? Im not sure if you’re a troll or if you’re just a crazy amount of stupid.
March 24, 2014 at 7:57 am
cristalexi
I agree with you that feminism is white female priviledge. Unfortunately white men have given in and pandered to white women by creating whole sectors, such as the healthcare sector, which give mostly white women high paying jobs – think of all the useless therapists there are. Consequently, this enables the white family to have quite a high collective income so they can then afford to employ others, mostly black and latino women, to carry out the household duties. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying these duties should only be carried out by women. I believed ALL family members should contribute to the duties but one thing that should not happen is outsiders doing it. This then has a knock on effect in that it restricts black and latino women from pursuing other more meaningful work. Black and latino women already have less options within the workplace – how many black women are therapists? I came across one a few years back and I’ve work in the industry for years. It also creates the ivory tower effect where white women become out of touch and aloof from the realities of living. Even WITHIN the workplace white women as a group leave certain tasks for others to do.These are things that they either can’t do, such as IT which they seem to be useless at, or things they feel are beneath them to do, such as cleaning up their stuff in the kitchen – this behaviour clearly shows they have experienced entitlement and privilege – even white men will do their share.
September 3, 2013 at 3:42 am
mike
Is a woman lying about rape a serious issue?
December 18, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Serenity
A funny note to false accusation, the DOD did research from 2000 to 2010 and found 67% of rape claims were false accusations. 85% by women and 15% by men. 29% were convictions and 4% were acquittals or miss trials.
This is not by any means a true representation of the US or other western societies. But it does show a trend for false accusations. Even though radical and mainstream feminist ignore this some small feminist groups, men’s groups and human rights groups all agree it is out of control.
My opinion is that anyone proven to have committed false accusations of rape, should have the same sentence as the accused would have if he/she committed the crime. When I mean proven false accusation, I mean people who intentionally accouterments someone of rape when no rape happened.
And it seems no one cares about women who are rapist. Many feminist say women can not rape becouse they don’t have penises. Many women are victims of other women and their voices are left unheard.
December 28, 2013 at 3:48 am
Matrim Cauthon
@None of your business,
You’ve been had. Feminism *might* have been able equal gender rights before, but like any self-perpetuating organism, it doesn’t know how to kill itself off, and now has become the same as what it tries to fight – the oppressor.
If you disagree – feel free to find out what feminism has to say about
1 – what the end state will be
2 – how do we know when we reach the end state
3 – how do we make sure we don’t over swing the pendulum
4 – how do we setup check and balances so we won’t over swing the pendulum
Good luck in finding those info.
March 15, 2014 at 11:20 pm
Zed
“Feminism is about equal gender rights between men and women.”
Just like marxism is an idealistic view, as is your feminism. Every time Marxism is applied it fails, we call it communism. What should we call failed feminism? We need a name for it, after all it is around us every day.
September 29, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Jason
I disagree that there’s only 1 “feminism” which is all wine-and-roses. There are factions within feminism, and this article is about one particularly strong branch which dominates Gender Studies faculties at colleges across North America.
Can you provide any substantiation that these pieces of mis-information which have been labeled myths are NOT spread by Gender-studies academia? Feminism is “about” those things because people who SELF-LABEL as feminists spread those “facts”. You’re free to argue that feminisim SHOULD NOT be about those things, and reclaim the term for the equality-feminists.
It’s like a Marxist complaining “communism isn’t about government control”. From a Marxist position, that’s true, as far as Marxists go, but it doesn’t change the reality that Stalinists utilize “Communism” in a completely different way.
September 29, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Jason
BTW isn’t it demeaning to rape-victims to “broaden” the use of the word rape to mean “almost anything”. FEMINISTS have been throwing around the “rape” word in non-rape contexts for years – and they’ve been criticized for this by OTHER FEMINISTS. (Christina Hoff Sommers in this example)
http://www.menweb.org/paglsomm.htm
“MS. SOMMERS: I interviewed a young women at the University of Pennsylvania who came in in a short skirt and she was in the Women’s Center, and I think she thought I was one of the sisterhood. And she said, “Oh, I just suffered a mini-rape.” And I said, “What happened?” And she said, “A boy walked by me and said, `Nice legs’.” ”
…a guy says you have nice legs, so that’s a “mini-rape” according to campus feminists. Isn’t using “rape” to mean stuff like that demeaning to women who … i dunno, ACTUALLY GOT RAPED?
November 1, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Lithp
Random college students are feminists in the same sense that a person on a skepticism blog is a scientist. It’s a bad mix of being young & overconfident, learning new things, but lacking experience. I’m not surprised to learn that people are very proud of “enlightened” knowledge that they have in fact deeply misunderstood.
December 28, 2013 at 3:50 am
Matrim Cauthon
@Lithp – that hardly excuses them from the harassment and the hurt they create. And if the “truly enlightened” elders of feminism don’t reign these young doe in, they are also in fact complicit of their actions.
October 24, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Cire Dunnit
It is also a myth that females get better grades. Both in the UK and the USA the education system has been dumbed-down so that the top grades can be achieved by an average student. There are more average female students than males, because males tend to be the best and the worst students.
When the UK had only 10% of students making it to university and curricula and exams that were rigorously designed to be able to distinguish the wheat from the chaff, males were beating females to such a wide extent that the system was feminised and dumbed-down to make girls appear to do better. Course work counted in the grades and the exams were split into modules and failed modules could be retaken until a pass was achieved.
This year in the UK, the first steps were taken to reverse that feminisation by removing course work from the marks and making the exams more difficult and for the first time since the feminisation was introduced males obtained more top grades than females and the media, the BBC in particular, were not able to indulge in their annual orgy of congratulating girls for outperforming boys. As might have been expected boys were not congratulated by the media for making a comeback.
It wasn’t really a comeback. The dumbing-down had given so many average students the top grades (nearly 30% of students got the top grades) that it wasn’t possible to determine who were the top students.
October 24, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Brenda Blessed
The fact that about 50% of the students who take A Level, which is the top school-leaving qualification, go to university is proof that an average student can do so in the UK. The airheads in the Labour Party under Sir Alan Wilson, who has been appointed the first director-general of higher education in 2003, had it in mind to increase that to 70% to meet future demands of the economy. He was so bright that he really must have believed that the standard of education could be maintained if 70% of students make it to university.
When the UK had a first-class academic education system in up to the 1970s, only about 14% went to university.
In the initial postwar period, only seven per cent of 19-year-olds went to university. At the start of the 1960s, just four per cent of school-leavers went to university. After an influential report by Lord Robbins recommended an increase in numbers, the figure rose to about 14 per cent during the 1970s.
October 24, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Cire Dunnit
After a slight tightening of examination standards in this year’s GCSE and A Level school exams, male students got more top grades than females for the first time since the school system was dumbed-down in the 80s to allow the top grades to be awarded to 28% of students and feminised by including course work (that parents can do) and splitting the exams into modules that can be repeated until the exam is passed. It is clear that the dumbing-down that allowed an average student to obtain the top grades encompassed more female students than males, making it appear as if female students were outperforming male students, when what was happening was that the real top students were being hidden by the majority of average ones.
The feminisation of the school system was put into place in order to make female students do better compared to males, who were hogging the university places that only 14% of students could obtain, compared to the almost 50% of UK students who were making it into university.
For the first time in several decades the UK media was not able to indulge in its annual orgy of congratulating girls for outperforming boys. Needless to say, the media did not see fit to congratulate boys for making a comeback from the falsifying social engineering.
November 11, 2012 at 10:13 pm
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November 13, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Peter golding
Now I’m not the worlds most physical guy, but I know what I am, I’m a man, and so’s Lola.
There’s the simple truth, I know what I am, I’m a man, and like women to be women, if they have problems working out what that means, then all the meckanicking with ‘I’m the true genius round here, and I got all the answers’
google informed pseudo intellectual feminists in the world are missing a simple point, and a very crucial one, vis a vis ‘what you got between your legs today?’.
November 17, 2012 at 3:12 pm
bhunter839
“Housewives, not men, were the prey in feminism’s sights when Kate Millet decreed in 1969 that the family must go.”- F. Carolyn Graglia
November 26, 2012 at 6:22 am
Mythic
If you’re calling Feminism “man-hate” you are missing the point. If you’re asking yourself, “What do feminists have to offer men?” you are not ready to be a Feminist.
By inventing and simplifying Feminist theorisation, you undermine the Feminist project – that is to say, Feminism aims to REVEAL social constructs.
Feminism has nothing to do with hating men. There are plenty of men who are feminists. Don’t you understand that “being a man” is its own gender construct?
A real man should be ready to acknowledge disproportionate discrimination because it goes both ways. Neither gender is “free” from social constructs. The fact just remains that women suffer from this ‘more’… But even this notion is only an opinion that one has having been told the so-called “feminist myths” you are so concerned with deconstructing…
How about deconstructing yourself?
How much of what you do is dictated by societal norms?
Since you’re calling Feminism “man-hate”, you are too terrified to take a look at yourself and ask yourself these tough, destabilizing questions.
“Coward.”
November 26, 2012 at 1:20 pm
gothelittle
No, the fact does not remain that women suffer more from social constructs. The fact remains that feminists have this odd notion that the social constructs which evolved from male and female physiology creates an atmosphere of inferiority where women are concerned.
I can understand why. Man’s inherent power is overt and flashy. It is easy to see and quantify. Women’s inherent power is subtle, but deep and profound. A man could go for years without writing home and still find himself, if badly injured, crying for his mother. Consider the adrenaline response between our genders – the man’s is called “fight or flight” while the woman’s is called “tend and befriend”. Both behaviors are vital in a society, but feminists value only the man’s contribution.
I find it fascinating that the first step to refuting feminism, the movement that supposedly recognizes equality of the sexes, is to understand that women are not inherently, biologically, behaviorally inferior to men.
August 5, 2013 at 9:24 am
Larry fine
Right. For you lot it’s quite the opposite. Your view is that men are the ones who are biologically inferior to women.
November 2, 2013 at 8:30 pm
xESOTERlC
Wow. Scrolling the webs and lamely reading through all the comments here. Have to say I’m very impressed with your practical, rational perspectives. This comment in particular is very concisely encapsulating. You do well at conveying a concept as opposed to limiting your expressions to individual assertions.
November 26, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Jason Lx
The 10 points at the top of this article in no way rely on labeling feminists as man haters. Nor do they ask ‘what can women offer men’. Both those are “straw man” arguments. Tearing down your own straw-man proves nothing when you haven’t addressed any of the topics of the article.
November 26, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Jason Lx
nobody “invented” Feminist theorisation. All those 10 myths are widespread beliefs printed in real textbooks of women’s studies in college. This is, specifically the dominant school of feminist thought in academic circles in the USA.
Read stuff by “dissident” feminists like Camille La Paglia, Christina Hoff Sommers, Susan Pinker. This interview is very interesting (please ignore the provocative title, everyone interviewed are feminists, just not from the “orthodox” wing)
http://www.menweb.org/paglsomm.htm
That’s the real problem “orthodox” feminism has become as open to new ideas and interpretation as FOX News is open to liberal ideas. They’ve basically made themselves irrelevant to IMPROVING the fight for women’s rights, since they’re totally not open to data which doesn’t match their pre-determined Orthodox stance. the best they can do now is to push back against conservative attacks on reproductive rights.
November 26, 2012 at 9:36 pm
gothelittle
The conservative “attack” on reproductive rights… that phrase amuses me. Right now the “conservative attack” consists almost entirely of claiming that perhaps women do not have the right to force other women’s husbands and Catholic priests to provide them their birth control (but only if it’s in pill form) for free.
In the past couple of years, the liberals have made an incredible leap in the area of reproductive “rights”… and now they are treating their sudden surge as the New Normal. Already it’s hard to convince liberal women and/or feminists that, as shortly as one year ago, women were capable of going into a store by themselves and purchasing their own birth control pills with their own money.
November 27, 2012 at 4:11 am
Jason Lx
@gothelittle: WTF are you serious? First up you have no clue about the entire issue and your whole stance is fundamentally offensive and misogynist. Here are 12 points I’ve numbered which are all separate issues, none of which are the one you mentioned:
Issue 1 – the attack consists of many points including:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Women
1. “In 2011 and 2012, many states passed legislation requiring that women seeking abortions first undergo government-mandated ultrasounds…Since many women’s pregnancies are not far enough along to get an image via a traditional ultrasound, transvaginal ultrasounds, which involve the physician inserting a probe into the woman’s vagina are required. ” <= government probes rammed up ladies private parts.
2. "Georgia legislators passed HB 954, a "fetal pain bill" criminalizing abortions performed after the 20th week of pregnancy. The bill, which does not contain exemptions for rape or incest, has been referred to as the "women as livestock bill" by opponents"
3. "In February 2011, South Dakota state legislators considered a bill that would change that state's definition of justifiable homicide to allow the killing of abortion providers."
4. "In Arizona, legislators passed a bill protecting doctors from wrongful birth suits. Under the legislation, doctors who don't inform mothers about prenatal problems would not be liable for malpractice."
5. A Kansas bill passed March 2012 requires doctors to warn women seeking abortions that they are linked to breast cancer, a claim that has been refuted by the medical community.
6. In January 2011, the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act moved to change how rape is treated when used to determine whether abortions qualify for Medicaid funding. Under the language of the bill, only cases of "forcible rape" or child sexual abuse would have qualified. Political activist groups Moveon.org and Emily's List charged that this constituted a Republican attempt to "redefine rape."
7. "The legislative policy initiative described as a War on Women has included a drive to eliminate state and federal funding for Planned Parenthood". <= defunding medical services aimed at women and families.
8. "U.S. Senate Todd Akin made controversial comments in August 2012 asserting (falsely) that women who are victims of "legitimate rape" rarely experience pregnancy from rape." = Spreading false misogynist science.
9 " Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock, when discussing his opposition to exceptions on abortion bans in cases of rape, said, "I think even if life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen." = Pretty damned offensive.
10. "The renewal of the Violence Against Women Act, which provides for community violence prevention programs and battered women's shelters, was fiercely opposed by conservative Republicans in 2012"
11.,"In October 2011, the City Council in Topeka, Kansas, facing a budget crisis, decriminalized domestic violence."
12 "In April 2012, Governor Scott Walker signed into law an act that repealed Wisconsin's Equal Pay Enforcement Act, which allowed workplace discrimination victims redress in state courts." = Repeal of equal-pay laws.
November 27, 2012 at 4:26 am
Jason Lx
@gothelittle: my last post detailed a series of state-level measures which are not in any way related to the health care mandate. now i’ll provided a specific rebuttal of the points you did raise in your post:
A. The attack definitely does not consist “almost entirely” of the objections to the contraceptives mandate.
B. There have be NO incredible leap in the area of reproductive “rights”, we’re talking about rights that became enshrined by roe-vs-wade. If there have bee any special new laws, please detail them.
C. “other women’s husbands” shows you think only men are productive. Load of rubbish. these women are PAID EMPLOYEES. The company generates a profit from their activities, otherwise they would not hire them. The cost is paid for out of the profits the worker generates.themselves.
D. “A priest” has NO RIGHT to tell another person how to live – being “an employee” doesn’t make the priest your owner or your parent. They have no legal right to tell employees what they can an cannot do in their private life. i.e. there’s no legal right to force the owner’s your religious beliefs on company employees. What’s next? If the boss is a jehovah’s witness they can ban the health insurance from paying for blood transfusions? After all, if the principle is that the company should be able to ban health insurance coverage of anything that conflicts wiith their personal beliefs.
E. why is the coverage for birth control pills any different to standardization of any other coverage? birth control actually saves the taxpayer a LOT of money on stuff that would otherwise need to be paid for (he government heavily subsidizes people who have kids).
November 27, 2012 at 1:23 pm
gothelittle
Ok, you’ve flooded a lot of stuff out here, so I’m just going to grab the most egregious, because I’m a little short on time this morning.
1. “Government probes rammed up ladies’ private parts” YOU FOOL. Transvaginal ultrasound is STANDARD for early pregnancy. I’ve had multiple such ultrasounds for each of my pregnancies. Do you have any clue whatsoever what an abortion is? Do you think that doctors should be shoving sharp implements up that same private part BLIND? The proposed legislation would have required that doctors show the result of the ultrasound to the woman before the abortion. Everyone jumped all over the whole transvaginal probe thing, which is (I can tell you personally, despite, according to you, having no clue whatsoever) less uncomfortable than a PAP SMEAR. You do know what a pap smear is, don’t you?
If you or any woman you care about is going to have an abortion, and the doctor refuses to do a transvaginal ultrasound first, RUN AWAY before he KILLS YOU.
2. A lot of these things are “considered”. Not even brought up for vote. I could give you a list of things brought up by feminists that have been “considered” that would raise your hair on end if you are a reasonable human being.
3. Planned Parenthood does not provide women with the services that it is credited for providing. It is a middle manager, increasing health care costs by taking money in order to send women to area doctors. Without their existence, these women would still be able to find free or low-cost services at the area doctors.
4. In bringing up Akin and Mourdock, you have just basically stated that stress does not affect fertility in women (so women struggling to conceive are just imagining things if they think that they can be helped), and that people who were conceived in rape cannot receive God’s blessing. Personally, I find both of those views far more offensive… and, in Akin’s case, the belief that stress does *not* affect fertility is very 80’s… new research shows otherwise. Out of women who have become pregnant from rape, most of them carry the pregnancy and many of those who abort have been pressured to do so. I’m sure they appreciate you telling them that their babies are not human because their plight disgusts you.
5. Other women’s husbands. Yes. EVERYONE pays for the health coverage. There is no extra surcharge permitted on the women who get free birth control. And as for the priest, Of course he isn’t allowed to tell you what to do in your private life. But that does NOT translate to forcing him to use his own money to purchase things for you of which he disapproves.
Do you now also think that a Catholic Priest should have to walk into the local sex toy store to buy vibrators for his female employees, too? Think he should giftwrap them first?
November 27, 2012 at 1:26 pm
gothelittle
By the way, I used strong language in point 1 on purpose, and I repeat it here, because it is vitally important. Do not let feminism lead women into great personal danger. Do not let some Puritanical squeamishness about “lady parts” kill or seriously injure women. An abortion is tricky enough without people like YOU trying to horrify women away from the transvaginal probe with talk of things like “government rape”.
This is serious.
November 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Lithp
It was not the medical community that requested the transvaginal probe. They, & most pro-choice women, remain against the measure. And for good reason, because you are way over-exaggerating the danger.
“In the US, the risk of maternal death from abortion is 0.6 per 100,000 procedures, making abortion about 14 times safer than childbirth (8.8 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births).[49][50] The risk of abortion-related mortality increases with gestational age, but remains lower than that of childbirth through at least 21 weeks’ gestation.[51][52][53]”
My knowledge of abortion isn’t exactly extensive, but I can tell that anything that requires only local anesthetic & has little recovery time is not the most critical procedure ever. For up to 7 weeks, abortefecant drugs are the most common method. At 15 weeks, they start using surgical suction. So it’s not exactly like they’re cutting a specific part of the uterine wall. I probably put myself at more risk of being cut when I had my ingrown toenails being removed, & no one insisted that I take an X-ray so that we knew exactly where my bones were. Believe it or not, doctors have a basic understanding of human anatomy, & probably don’t need to double-check exactly where your uterus is.
The risk is just not enough to mandate an invasive step that almost nobody wants to perform or go through. The doctor is not going to “kill you” if he doesn’t give you a transvaginal probe. If anyone is still worried, they can easily REQUEST a transvaginal probe, but mandating it “for the safety of women/other women” just smacks of snobbery. And if you’re going to argue that the majority of the medical community has no idea what they’re doing…well, I think it’s more than a little bit ironic that you accuse feminists of being anti-science.
And yes, I do support the rape analogy. It’s penetration for the implicit purpose of controlling women, by way of throwing as many inconveniences & indignities at them as possible to change their minds about abortion. Safety is just an excuse, & it’s certainly not about informed consent.
Also, I never really found any hard information, but most sources (feminist & otherwise) that I checked agreed that more insurance policies covered viagra than birth control.
December 28, 2013 at 3:57 am
Matrim Cauthon
@Mythic – what a joke.
If feminism is only about social constructs, why do we have to use male-centric terms like “patriarchy”? Why not just call it “society”?
Patriarchy, rather than “society”, is used specifically to emote, to exclude, and to create political force based on fear and emotions. Feminism is setup just like any political movements.
If you can’t see political agenda when it’s so explicitly placed in front of your nose, you won’t find your private parts if your life depend on it, let along “reveal” any true social constructs.
Good luck.
November 26, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Jason Lx
equity feminists and other sub-cultures in feminism, do actually dispute the “myths”. But the fact that other feminists dispute them proves they are real. Don’t fall into the trap of believing that (A) all feminists believe the myths or (B) no feminists believe the myths. Some do, some don’t.
if false information is being spread to ANYONE it’s every right-thinking person’s duty to debate & discuss. Anyone who says certain topics are “OFF LIMITS” but only AFTER dropping a hostile blast of opinion on you, is nobodies friend.
http://www.menweb.org/paglsomm.htm
” MS. SOMMERS: I think she’s right to call it a kind of totalitarianism. Many young women on campuses combine two very dangerous things: moral fervor and misinformation. On the campuses they’re fed a kind of catechism of oppression. They’re taught “one in four of you have been victims of rape or attempted rape; you’re earning 59 cents on the dollar; you’re suffering a massive loss of self-esteem; that you’re battered especially on Super Bowl Sunday.” All of these things are myths, grotesque exaggerations.
MR. WATTENBERG: Well, why don’t you go through some of those myths with some specificity?
MS. SOMMERS: Well, for example, a few years ago feminist activists held a news conference and announced that on Super Bowl Sunday battery against women increases 40 percent. And, in fact, NBC was moved to use a public service announcement to, you know, encourage men “remain calm during the game.” Well —
MR. WATTENBERG: How can you remain calm during the Super Bowl! (Laughter.)
MS. SOMMERS: Well, they might explode like mad linemen and attack their wives and so forth. The New York Times began to refer to it as the “day of dread.” One reporter, Ken Ringle at the Washington Post, did something very unusual in this roiling sea of media credulity. He checked the facts — and within a few hours discovered that it was a hoax. No such research, no — there’s no data about a 40-percent increase. And this is just one of so many myths. You’ll hear — “
November 26, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Jason Lx
” MS. SOMMERS: Well, the average American women, first of all, is rather fond of men. Okay? She has a husband or a father or a brother or — you know? So the male-bashing is out of control right now. I mean — and if you look at a lot of the statistics that I deconstruct in my book. You know, that men are responsible for birth defects, that men — Naomi Wolff has a factoid she has since corrected, but she says 150,000 girls die every year starving themselves to death from anorexia. This was in Gloria Steinem’s book. It got into Ann Lander’s column. It’s in women’s studies textbooks. The correct figure, according to the Center for Disease Control, is closer to 100 deaths a year, not 150,000.
MS. PAGLIA: Three-thousand times exaggerated or something. “
March 18, 2015 at 11:08 pm
Alpha OMega
3000 times exaggerated ?
Doesn’t it equate to 1500 times ?
Why can’t Ms. Paglia do simple math ?
Because she is a woman.
How did a figure 1500 times exaggerated get into text books?
Because women are better at stories.
Who gives a fuck if it WAS 150,000 woman – how many children die of NON voluntary starvation every year ?
Isn’t that a real issue that we ALL should focus on first ?
Look at charitable giving – woman give more than men to charity percentage wise – except most of it goes towards woman centred charity. A lot of this does filter down to starving children or educating females in poverty stricken places where education is a rarity among both genders. Rub THAT in our faces – “woman are changing the poverty stricken world you men have created” – don’t make up bullshit about rape statistics and cry foul about a mythical 75 cents to the dollar crap – when there are men woman and children making 1 dollar for every 10,000 these first world cunts are making TEACHING other first world cunts how hard they have it.
What the fuck happened to humanitarianism?
Feminism –
January 11, 2013 at 11:51 pm
Lorna
Only 27% of women whose assault meets the legal definition of rape call what happened to them rape. The ones who don’t call it that are still rape victims. This is caused by denial, minimilization and an igorance about the legal definition of rape. Rape victims can date their attackers just like kidnapping victims can campaign for their kidnappers release and spousal abuse victims can stay with and defend the people beating them. Its called Stockholm Syndrome.
Rape is very common and that is not a feminist myth.
January 13, 2013 at 11:38 am
gothelittle
Lorna, you may be unaware of the definition of rape as used in the study. It included, “Have you ever gone out on a date where you had not initially planned to have sex, but ended up doing so?” It certainly was not the “legal” definition. (I know, because I recognize the percentage that you are quoting.)
Under that feminist-study definition, I have been raped. My husband and I went out to a heavy metal concert. We had an awesome time. He bought me a band shirt out of his pocket money and I danced and flirted with him. Then we drove home. When we got home, we were both still full of energy. It was midnight and we felt young and careless. We continued to flirt, and then…well, according to me, we had sex. (It was pretty awesome sex, too.)
According to the feminists, he raped me.
At the time, we were both working. We had a young child. We planned every sexual encounter, sometimes days in advance. I didn’t go out on that date intending on having sex. It just happened. A marriage counselor would have called that a wonderful and useful thing, because it brightened up our marriage considerably and led to a more casual (and more frequent) approach to sex.
So have you ever been “raped” willingly by your husband after a night of fun? I’m sure that’s very common, as you pointed out. I’m not sure it’s caused by denial, minimization, ignorance, and Stockholm Syndrome.
November 1, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Lithp
What were the other questions? How many were there? If the study consisted of 20 questions, for instance, that single poorly worded example would have contributed only 5% to the results. Also, do you know that it wasn’t removed from the analysis for being such an obviously crap question? For that matter, which study are we even talking about?
Sources.
November 1, 2013 at 4:14 pm
gothelittle
Not quite how statistics go, Lithp. If you have twenty questions, nineteen refer to 5% of the cases, and one refers to 95% of the cases, then that one question does not contribute to only 5% of the results. (Speaking theoretically.)
We’re talking about the same study that was cited in the article, the college survey that led to the 1 in 4 myth.
November 1, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Lithp
My math skills could scarce rival that of a kindergartner, but I’m pretty sure that, if you have 1/20 questions (theoretically) that everyone would have to answer positively to, you still have 95% of questions that may or may not be valid.
Found the study. Firstly, it was originally published in “The Journal of Consulting & Clinical Psychology.” Not “commissioned by Ms. Magazine.” Secondly, it includes the questions. I’m not going to paste the questions, because the site will screw up the formatting, but the question you quoted does not exist. There are several questions that include the phrase “have sex when you did not want to,” but not “when you did not plan to,” AND these questions always followed it up with some allusion to “because of force” or “because of coercion.”
Maybe the Ms. Magazine version was different, but it is no secret that pop culture twists the actual results of studies & blows them way out of proportion.
Because it would be hypocritical of me not to provide a reference, here is the DOI: http://psycnet.apa.org/doi/10.1037/0022-006X.50.3.455
December 18, 2013 at 1:09 am
Lithp
I’m not familiar with how WordPress works. Are you unable to edit out that incorrect information?
January 18, 2013 at 9:40 am
otaku
There are other myths not mentioned here:
Myth: Women’s Sexuality is more complex, more interesting/beautiful, than men’s Sexuality.
Myth: Men’s genitals have been totemized, deified, through history.
January 21, 2013 at 9:06 am
Wilhelmina
“The key to the intricate and massive system of thought created by Karl Marx is at bottom a simple one: Karl Marx was a communist.” – Murray Rothbard
Feminism, as a post-Marxist/Liberal religion follows the same pattern. The reason they ignore science, personal experience and all of human history is because they never cared about these things. The sole purpose of their ‘research’ is to generate apologetics and rationalizations.
Like any cult, they draw you in with the reasonable stuff (women shouldn’t be assassinated or raped) and once they’ve got their convert committed socially and emotionally they bring out the crazy bullshit (pretty much every Feminist book ever published).
February 3, 2013 at 4:47 am
Terra
This website is absurd.
I am a feminist because when I don’t wear a bra, I am ostracised.
I am a feminist because when if I don’t shave, I am ostracised and called ugly.
I am a feminist because women around the world shouldn’t be afraid to go to school because they are women.
I am a feminist because I love men, not hate them, and want to be equal to them in my society.
I am feminist because I understand what feminism really is.
February 3, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Anonymous
When I whip my penis out in public I’m ostracised too. Should i become a “masculinist” because of that?
May 10, 2013 at 10:15 pm
Anonymous
Her not wearing a bra and you whipping your penis out are two different things entirely. With not wearing a bra, your body is not exposed. With whipping your penis out, your body is. So to make a statement like that is ridiculous.
February 3, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Jason Lx
Males cares if you don’t wear a bra? What decade are you living in? It’s far more likely to be other females that ostracise you for your fashion statement of not wearing a bra. Not many straight males know or care much about female fashion.
Women can pretty much wear whatever they want, males are far more restricted in the range of fashions they’re allowed to wear without being ostracised. And I cannot just whip my penis out in public. Should I become a “masculinist” because of these two injustices?
February 3, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Jason Lx
I’ll also add in reply “I understand what feminism really is” – well that’s your feminism, but there are many strands of feminism. There is no unified “what feminists think”, and the above listed myths are all published material by mainstream feminists. If you disagree with the material, take it up with those particular feminists (they’re the ones who dominate academia btw).
You can find feminist sources attacking the same material presented on this website (e.g. writings by Cristina Hoff Sommers, Camille LaPaglia, and Susan Pinker all attack these and related beliefs).
February 3, 2013 at 1:07 pm
gothelittle
Terra, if people passing you on the street can tell that you’re not wearing a bra, you probably should be wearing a bra. That’s not “oppression”, it’s decency.
(This is a woman saying this.)
August 5, 2013 at 9:27 am
Larry fine
Bullshit. You hate men just like all of the others. Just another Nazi. Lots of nazis claimed that they loved jews and just wanted to ‘help’ them. Same old story. You carry out your orders just like all of the others.
November 2, 2013 at 9:05 pm
xESOTERlC
What is your problem with gothelittle? Or do you lack the most basic reading comprehension skills?
February 4, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Takeawholebunchoflsd
I agree. There’s just nothing more disgusting and indecent than saggy titties. Bras aren’t good enough in my opinion. This stain on our aesthetic life needs to be scraped off and flushed away. Women with saggy boobies need to be kept in sweatshops,where they can manufacture inexpensive sport bras for perky tittied attractive young ladies, out of the sanctimonious sight of you and your husband. Come to think of it, it might be plain decency for you two to refrain from posting pictures of your ugly ass faces on the internet, and to wear masks when you go out in public. You are some god awful ugly mother fuckers. But that doesn’t mean I can make you do that, and Terra doesn’t have to wear a bra either..
(In real life, I like saggy boobies)
(this is a polymorphous perverse androgyne saying this)
March 2, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Anonymous
Mother fuckers . . Why cant the world be like it was in the 50s . . Men like to dominate let em bitches! I love my mommy and daddy equally because my family is a healthy divorce free family and thats possible only when its patriarchal
April 23, 2013 at 10:59 am
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May 29, 2013 at 11:14 am
Megan
Feminism to me means that women and men are equal. EQUAL. Equal wages, equal responsibilities, and freedom of choice without fear of consequences. If a woman wants to become President, she should have as equal a chance as a man does. If a woman wants to stay at home and raise children, that’s great, and she should be allowed to without other women telling her that that’s not what women should be doing. Women should be paid equal wages for equal labour. Men and women should respect each other equally, and both believe that all genders are capable of all tasks. And sure, maybe physiological absolutes may dictate that men are usually stronger, and women are actually the ones who give birth to children- but those aren’t defining attributes, and shouldn’t be treated as such.
September 3, 2013 at 3:47 am
mike
The thing is both genders aren’t capable of doing all tasks. and it seems to me that extreme feminists are tipping the scales of inequality. Women are certainly more privileged.
October 29, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Alex
You didn’t read the article you’re responding to, did you?
December 28, 2013 at 4:18 am
Matrim Cauthon
@Megan,
You mean everybody should have equal chance to play in the NBA? Everyone should be the same height? Everyone should have the same IQ? Same prettiness? Same age? Same stamina?
And everyone should get EQUAL pay regardless of how hard they work? How much sacrifices they’ve made on their personal lives and family lives?
Good luck achieving your dream world.
December 8, 2015 at 3:25 am
Pearson
“freedom of choice without consequences.” So you support total anarchy? Murderers, thieves, and other criminals should never be punished for their crimes? Your spouse should just forgive you and let everything be hunky-dory if you betray him/her by sleeping with someone else? People should not be punished for anything ever? Good luck with that.
June 23, 2013 at 11:50 am
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[…] In the “National Organization of Women, “Issue Report: Sexual Harassment,” April 1998″, they state “Our schools are training grounds for sexual harassment… boys are rarely punished, while girls are taught that it is their role to tolerate this humiliating conduct.” however they have chosen to completely misrepresent the results of the study they are using to justify such a statement. The study is called “hostile hallways” and it found that 85 percent of girls and 76 percent of boys surveyed say they have experienced unwanted and unwelcome sexual behavior that interferes with their lives. Furthermore scholars at the University of Michigan did a follow-up study which found “The majority of both genders (53%) described themselves as having been both victim and perpetrator of harassment — that is most students had been harassed and had harassed others.” This shows clearly that NOW is not for the eradictation of sexual harassment but instead for the demonization of males.[1] […]
June 27, 2013 at 7:14 am
Karen
This is horrible. I want to point out to you that you are really doing a bad thing and adding nothing good to society by holding these views.
July 14, 2013 at 1:37 pm
Joy Rose
I truly believe that the only view you can hold that adds nothing good to society is the view that people should be silenced based on your opinion of the value of their views.
July 14, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Jason
… but it’s provable that some feminists (not ALL feminists, just a few) are propagating information which is demonstrably false. False information in a good cause is still false. Here Christina Hoff Sommers, a “dissident” feminist discusses some of the false feminist memes that have been spread in previous years. It’s well worth watching this for an overview.
Such memes include older discredited ones that “domestic violence increases 40% during the Superbowl” (see the video). This is a 100% false statistic which is still propagated in some textbooks. It’s nonsensical, and the only reason to spread it is pure misandry (men hating) because it insidiously links something men like (sports) to something horrible (domestic violence), purely to discredit the entire concept of “maleness” itself based on the disgraceful actions of a minority of men.
August 23, 2013 at 5:53 am
Jerry
These issues are so exhausting. I’m worn out. I’m tired of the default posture of mistrust and suspicion that every woman I meet regards me with. But I’m also tired of being mad about it because that serves no useful purpose and it only makes me miserable. The only way we will see an end to gender wars is when technology finally permits us to transcend our biology and become something else. Or, alternatively, some marvel breakthrough allows each gender to experience the mind of the other in first person….I’d love to spend a few hours thinking female thoughts and having female specific reactions …. and vice versa. One thing that is hard to come to grips with is the fact that men and women have different needs. People just don’t want to accept that. But that’s hard for humans across the board. When you don’t have the same reaction as another person to a given stimuli, it does take some effort to acknowledge and accept that the reaction of the other person is as real to them as your reaction. People need to learn how to validate emotions in others that they don’t themselves feel.
Here is a question that I wonder about? What would it take to make women not feel that they are disadvantaged in society? Is it even possible to get to that stage? I seriously wonder. I will be curious to see what the climate will be once women are, on average, earning more than men and dominating the upper echelons of the professional world (which I believe is going to be the case in the near future).
What will they have to be mad at men for? Is it possible that this impression of being disadvantaged and subordinate has a biological component?
August 24, 2013 at 6:49 am
Lithp
This looks fair & unbiased*
Let me just say something about Myth 8. It is ironic that you criticize gender theorists as scientifically illiterate, because using this as proof against social constructionism is employing 2 very obvious scientific errors:
“In general, males have better spatial reasoning skills; females better verbal skills. Males are greater risk takers; females are more nurturing.”
The first error is assuming that a correlation between A & B means that A causes B. So you have a study that finds a correlation. Well, obviously B can’t cause A, your mental reasoning skills don’t change how your sex develops. But you still haven’t proved that sex directly causes you to develop this way, in part because of the second error.
Namely, you can’t demonstrate these traits until the child is a certain age. In other words, they’ve already been exposed to the culture! And we’re supposed to be surprised that these differences grow as they get older? That’s not surprising. A social construction theory would predict that masculine & feminine behavior become increasingly exaggerated throughout an individual’s lifetime.
Now, let’s back up. No one’s saying that there are no biological differences between sexes, & no one’s saying that these don’t influence the way that social behavior develops. As I alluded to in the above paragraph, this is a straw man argument. The answer to Nature vs. Nurture is almost always both. Social constructionism refers to the way that genders express themselves, which does objectively & dramatically differ from culture to culture.
However, a pattern we see, especially in social/mental disciplines, is that old assumptions about gender are frequently challenged. Before colleges admitted women, they would use low test scores among females to justify that position. Of course, it’s now quite obvious that women CAN perform well in higher education, & the reason those tests were finding poor results is because they DIDN’T have that education.
And that really looks like what you’re doing here. There is a societal expectation that women will be “more nurturing,” & men will be “risk takers/aggressive/leaders/etc.” As a side note, it’s always interesting how men inevitably get a much wider “social role,” & mental gymnastics go into explaining how it’s not really as mismatched as it seems. In any case, when you’ve proved what you’ve set out to prove, do you not ask if what you’ve actually found is a self-fulfilling prophecy?
What you actually find is, as you go into higher levels of education, more & more women drop out of math & science fields. That’s not puberty hits them & their hormones take their biological programming Up To 11. That’s a clear sign that something about the field filters out women at many levels. And the thing is, “striving for parity” is an empty statement. If you don’t recognize that things aren’t living up to the “natural order,” you won’t know that there’s something that needs to be fixed.
*=Yes, certainly feminism is not a flawless, unified position, & some of these are most likely accurate, but on the whole, this is a blatantly obvious attempt to discredit a certain school of thought. It’s not like I don’t see the same thing with evolution & psychology.
September 22, 2013 at 9:46 am
Anonymous
cherry-picking and straw-grasping at petty examples to hide profound ignorance of overall gender issues. so convenient, so sad, so ugly. I would have liked to see a equality based page denouncing the negativity of some feminists, but this website ends up as just another hypocritical, weakly argued hate-stirring women-hating page – poison in, poison out – to quote the creator’s own self… this site is exactly what it accuses the ‘feminists’ it hates of being.
Honestly be happy if you are male, because if you are this angry over what you have had to deal with so far, if you were born female I think you would have exploded by now over Actual issues… like violence, mutilation, severe repression, constant harrassment. Things like this occur daily to so many women in the world.
And in case you’re wondering, this is spoken from someone who has dealt with (and witnessed other women deal with) daily sexism and harrassment in a ‘boys club’. And not being able to do anything about it, cos standing up for any of them brands you as a Feminist – which increases the level of harrassment you get. This is not just common, it happens to Most females in my industry (yeah most). Try looking up some Actual Facts – I would gladly trade places or turn back time and pick another profession if I could…
November 1, 2013 at 11:52 am
Joy Rose
Did you just honestly try to refute statistics with your own personal experience and then tell the *author* to try looking up some Actual Facts?
September 25, 2013 at 6:24 pm
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September 30, 2013 at 7:00 pm
NA
Feminism is one of the many tools that are being used to breakdown and destroy a Democratic-Republic. Just as racism, religion and sexual orientation; Feminism is a tool to destroy the family unit, devalue men and make the government the father figure. An education system the has turned learning into memorizing of information that many times is not fact. These distractions will continue to create an dumb and docile public that will do what ever the government has them do. These actions will lead to a fall of the American economical and social standing. They will provide a solution that will be told to use will bring us back. However, it will not. It will strip all the last remaining rights we have to fight the government for freedom and we will become a police state.
If we are to gain control of our rights, freedoms and save this country; then we need to all stand together against the privileged few families that control the finances and influence the elected officials of this country. No man or woman despite race, religion, gender or sexual orientation is born privileged. Powerful families are, not whites, not Christians, etc. So until everyone sees that, we will not be able to stand together and fight the greed and corruption that have infected and over taken out government.
January 5, 2015 at 1:38 am
Anonymous
You must be a liar.
October 13, 2013 at 10:51 am
Jordan Drexler
Um, rape statistics have been taken by many different groups including the FBI. They all point towards the same number: 1 in 4 women will be raped.
November 1, 2013 at 11:47 am
Joy Rose
That’s interesting, seeing as the latest FBI statistics put the rate at 52.7 per 100,000. I don’t see how you get 1 in 4 out of that.
October 29, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Alex
Myths 5 and 6 are a little too vague to refute completely in the manner it was. Instead of “women have been short-changed in…” it’s better to argue a specific claim.
Besides, how the hell can feminists claim that women are shortchanged in medical research? Just what is their problem? Getting ten times more funding for women’s cancer than men’s? And what is their argument that girls are shortchanged in schools?
November 8, 2013 at 7:52 pm
Anonymous
so by being ‘anti-feminist’ you are happy to proclaim that you do not think men and women should have equal rights? I wonder if you feel the same way about gay people or black people?
December 8, 2015 at 3:37 am
Pearson
“so by being ‘anti-feminist’ you are happy to proclaim that you do not think men and women should have equal rights? I wonder if you feel the same way about gay people or black people?”
Newsflash: Being anti-feminist and being pro-equal rights are NOT mutually exclusive, asshat.
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December 2, 2013 at 4:58 am
female anti-feminst
Excellent list. Definitely true about 10) which extends into social clubs in uni. Whilst there is a women’s club and a feminst club, when there were plans of a men’s association, females protested virulently about how sexist it is. There is a women’s room for women to feel safe (perhaps to keep away from all the sexual assault – in fact, they moved it because the original location was too dark and ther was no signal which put women in “danger”) but no such equivalent for men.
December 2, 2013 at 4:59 am
female anti-feminst
Oh also, our uni has a scholarship and award for specifically female students in science and literature, but no male-oirented schoalrship for any departnment.
April 8, 2015 at 4:52 am
Vman
I went to a uni where 60% of the intake was female. Males were less likely to complete their studies than females. The figures would have been even worse except that there was a lot of foreign male students.
I lost count of the number of female only scholarships, grants, special rooms, special services, women’s representatives, and so on. There was not a single thing for only male students. In fact while I was there feminist students were lobbying to remove male only toilets.
Yet the whole time there was this constant feminist narrative, posters, articles, whole frigging departments about how oppressed women were.
December 4, 2013 at 6:26 pm
Anonymous
This is fucking bullshit and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself for being so stupid.
December 14, 2013 at 5:30 am
Holly
But why Men keep helping women ? Why ? Be an asshole to women . And you see how they will respect you more . Do it guys .Me as a women ,I’m attracted always to jerks .Always . They are sexy . I have no desire to sleep to a nice guy .
December 18, 2013 at 1:25 pm
gothelittle
You poor fool. I married the nice guy. Over 10 years and haven’t regretted it for a single day.
January 13, 2014 at 6:45 pm
P
“But why Men keep helping women ? Why ? Be an asshole to women . And you see how they will respect you more . Do it guys .Me as a women ,I’m attracted always to jerks .Always . They are sexy . I have no desire to sleep to a nice guy .”
Posts like the one above are either trolling, or are dropped onto comment tracks and message boards for the ideological opposites and their fellows (or rather, fellarettes?) to have some “male nastiness” to point to in the ranks of people who are opposed to feminism.
Yes, some women submit to nastiness (from either men, OR their female peers*). This however is generally indicative of low self-esteem, and besides isn’t unique to females.
*) The nastiness, backstabbing and vindictiveness between girls and women that I have observed over the years is astounding and makes most cases of male-to-male verbal abuse and bullying pale in comaprison.
December 29, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Brett
I really love the fact that some of these ridiculous points are being challenged. It is absolutely amazing how much regurgitated feminist rhetoric like this exists and goes unquestioned as the fundamental basis necessitating the need for a quasi-militant feminist movement in the first place.
I agree that there are sexual inequalities that favor men that need to be addressed, but when you use such unsubstantiated and deceptive hyperbole to support your argument, you soon begin to lose all credibility and become “the feminist that cried wolf” instead of a respected authority on the subject of sexual equality.
It is sad that many feminists that fall into this category overshadow the honest and more objective females that are sincerely looking to help those females that cannot get an education due to sexist oppressive governments. They also overshadow the females that try to help women that are truly sexually victimized. The ones that do not need to analyze their sexual encounter from 100 different perspectives, practically be put under hypnosis, or be brainwashed for 72 hours straight under hot lights by Gloria Steinem to finally put a spin on a sexual encounter to make it sound like it “could have been rape.”
The type of so called feminists that believe in and preach the myths listed here as gospel definitely do not speak for all women. In fact, these type of women do more of a disservice to the women’s movement as a whole by appearing to be more motivated by hating men than anything else. They seem to be more adamant about trying to prove that all men are the scum of the earth, as their primary objective, while equality of the sexes becomes the overshadowed secondary goal.
January 1, 2014 at 11:13 am
Fawn
What is wrong with you? It is honestly so disturbing to see people try to dismiss women’s issues, or try to promote anti-feminism because of frivolous bull.
The rape study did nothing wrong. They eliminated bias, that is proper research. This is how you are supposed to conduct research. Many other studies follow this method, I’m not sure why you choose to attack this study, if only to attack feminism. In another rape study they asked campus males if they have slept with girls who were too drunk to consent, or pressured girls to have sex after they’ve already said no (coercion), used verbal threats, or physical force. The description of those acts describe rape. Yet, if the researchers asked if they had raped someone, they likely would have not gotten the same results. The way that the college males admitted to rape (not by that name though), is the same way victims can view their own attacks. The real rape myths is that victims are violently forced into submission, or always attacked by strangers. Go do some research, and time after time you will notice that most perpetrators are known to the victim. The way you try to dismiss #1 as false just because the victims were in relationships with their attackers is just ignorant. It is just as idiotic as saying that domestic abuse doesn’t exist because they are partners. That’s not how things work. Also, if I haven’t yet made my point clear enough, look at the fact that martial rape was legal only decades ago. Do you think someone from that time period would consider their martial rape experience to be “real rape”? Perhaps they have this idea of what rape is, and what it isn’t. Just because they don’t use the word “rape” does not mean their experience didn’t happen. If a girl says to you “my husband forced me to have sex with him”, she is describing rape.
The language policing you are doing is just insulting and disturbing. You are contributing to rape culture right now. Rape victims live with shame, they question their experiences, get flashbacks, suffer from PTSD, they don’t need people like you invalidating their experiences. Just stop.
I’ve also have some bones to pick about your criticism of the wage gap study. First of all, it’s highly annoying to have two studies here that actually exist, and the information is not made up, and here you are insisting that it is a “myth”. They did not lie, the information is not made up. Stop acting like it is a “myth” or “debunked”, you didn’t prove shit. You are only complaining about how the study was conducted, yet you fail there too. What you don’t realize is that the whole average is still a measure of the wage gap. The study shows that there is a gap, the study is not suddenly invalid because it was not conducted the way you wanted it done. If you are going to explain away the wage gap because of something stupid like “women generally work part time, and men work more hours”….you need to realize…that THIS IS STILL RELEVANT. We need to ask ourselves….why does this trend exist? Is it because we put the brunt of the childbearing on mothers? Also, if you don’t like how the study was done, please check out the ones that cross reference. Studies indicate that women are less likely to get call backs for job opportunities. Studies indicate that women are negatively perceived when asking for promotions/raises. Studies indicate the existence of a motherhood penalty, but men don’t have a “fatherhood penalty”, in fact, they benefit. There are studies where the exact same resumes are rated positively (when the only change is a male name), but with a female name, a less positive result. There is also sex segregation in the workforce, some jobs can be a hostile environment for women.
Honestly I don’t feel like addressing anymore of your hogwash. You need to understand the difference between causation and correlation, and you need to understand what it actually means to debunk something. You need to stop being an antifeminist, because that shit is misogynistic as fuck. You need to keep your sexist beliefs to yourself man. This whole list is shameful.
January 10, 2014 at 3:05 am
Sofia Deleon
I just think it’s ridiculous that this website is stating that feminism is man-hate. I’m not sure yet if I would call myself a feminist, but I do go for self-advocacy and speaking out, and that women have power. But just because I feel that I want to be strong doesn’t mean that I hate men.
January 13, 2014 at 12:29 am
tab
there are so many false statements and so much misinformation on here it’s ridiculous. I hope people will do their own reading.
February 17, 2014 at 11:04 pm
Brallan
Lesson of the storyDo not limit yourself!
February 23, 2014 at 7:07 pm
AEStarr
I wonder if there has been any research done in the 15-20 years since the studies you quoted? Your most recent reference is 2000, most of the research was done in the mid-90s. Might want to updates your sources.
February 28, 2014 at 10:00 pm
micefaces
Firstly, talking about “feminists” in general is bound to lead into logical fallacy. Not all feminists believe the same thing. Speaking in such broad strokes is not only stupid, it also immediately tells perceptive readers to discount your perspective.
Secondly. Gender IS by definition a social construction. The idea that “feminists” deny a biological basis for sex differences is categorically wrong in almost all cases. The attribution of this belief to “feminists” in most cases is the result of straw-man arguments perpetuated by rival academics in petty squabbles or else a misunderstanding of the difference in definition between gender and sexuality.
If gender isn’t socially constructed, why do certain representations of masculinity differ across culture? i.e. in Japanese pop-culture, it’s common to find representations of strong warrior-type male characters who often look female, quite at odds with the masculine gender as it is represented by, say, the statue of David. When used in this context, the “term” gender only refers to the collective social ideas of gender, whether they are informed by science or not. Social construction functions as neural habituation. “Biological” and “social” constructions are not mutually exclusive.
Lastly, I am a man and a feminist. The idea that feminism encourages hatred of men and distrust among the genders is absolutely ridiculous. Go look up “Voice Male” magazine if you want to see how utterly ridiculous it is to deny the existence of men-positive feminism. The other day, I saw a feminist book talk where the speaker (and editor/author of the book) was a straight, married man. Most of the audience were women and he was well-received. In most cases, feminists appear to hate men because they hate certain kinds of men. These men assume that all men are like them (which they aren’t), and so they refuse to change and insist that feminist is tantamount to man-hating. There’s no such thing as “masculinity” or “femininity,” only “masculinities” and “femininities.” All men might be similar in terms of sexuality, the biological side of sex difference, but when it comes to gender, the ideas we form about ourselves, nobody is the same. My masculinity is not the same as the Governator’s, but I am, nonetheless a man (unless you would say that I’m not a “real man,” which is to deny the biological basis of sex difference).
Almost all rapes are committed by men. Do you deny that woman have the right to expect to not be raped? No? Then you’re a probably feminist. Yes? Go castrate yourself.
February 28, 2014 at 10:12 pm
micefaces
Just to elaborate on what I just wrote, if gender wasn’t socially constructed the cultural expression “real man” (as in a hypermasculine, athletic, non-crying figure) would be meaningless/non-existent. When one man tells another that he isn’t a “real man,” he’s invoking a cultural constructed idea of what a man is. A few fringe figures, let us call them naive or weak constructivists, might deny the biological basis of gender difference, but the majority of “gender feminists,” are strong constructivists, and think a long the same lines I have presented here, as when Judith Butler clearly states that it’s not biological difference she studies, but the reasons biological differences are portrayed the way are across culture.
BTW, I figured out all of this stuff when I was 13-year old boy who was ostracized from the other boys in my school for being weird and girly. I’d never heard of queer theory or academic approaches to gender until much later, which undeniably formulated certain ways I have presenting my thoughts, but nonetheless does not deserve credit for inventing these ideas or brainwashing people with them.
March 9, 2014 at 11:57 am
Anonymous
Wowwwww; you always understand that the internet is full of incredibly ignorant and misleading individuals, but stumbling upon this was particularly disturbing. Feminism is NOT man-hate (quite the contrary, it is about ending oppression, with a particular focus on sexist oppression), gender inequality IS very much a real thing that impacts women AND men (though much more women), and the degree to which these “setting right” feminist “myths” were inaccurate and not actually dealing with the real issues was ASTOUNDING.
March 10, 2014 at 5:34 am
Paul
Out of all crimes, rape was reported FAKE the most advised by the FBI statistics where a woman was NEVER charged compare to a man could faced years in jail!
According to a single survey of 20 American law enforcement officers done in 2004, the typical person making a false accusation was “female (100%), Caucasian (100%), 15-20 years of age (10%), 31-45 years of age (25%), or 21-30 years of age (65%)”.[1] A false accusation may be perpetrated out of a desire for attention or sympathy, anger or revenge, or to cover up behavior deemed “inappropriate” by their condemning surrounding culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
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April 29, 2014 at 10:17 pm
Alex
It’s very interesting as a MALE high school student to see you say that guys and girls are sexually harassed almost equally. I agree with a lot in this article, but that is not true. I don’t care what your biased statistic says. My younger sister actually attempted suicide because of boys who sexually harassed her. I, myself, have never been sexually harassed but every girl I know has at least once. I urge you to take that out of this article because that fact is egregious.
April 29, 2014 at 10:21 pm
Sam
I would like to add that according to RAINN (rape abuse and incest national network) girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. And 1 in 6 women are victims of attempted or completed rape. Those are the facts.
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May 9, 2014 at 11:32 pm
Mad(dy)
This is an old post, but I am going to comment anyway.The literal definition of a feminist is someone who believes/fights for equal rights between men and women. Thats it. There is nothing about men-hating women who want to dominate and take over the world.
Even if there are inherently different biological traits between men and women ( I certainly don’t believe so, but I am trying to make a point) it should not justify inequality in any way.
While many of you think that gender is not a social construction, how would you explain gender roles and societal expectations of how men and women should act?
In my opinion gender roles only perpetuate a system of dominance and oppression in US society thus generating inequality, thus thus sparking a trend of women who were tired of giving in to the gender roles, thus thus thus creating the social construction of feminism…..
Feminist are going to keep fighting for equality many people can’t handle it because of the fear of losing their privilege.
Scary shit… I know. Geese imagine a society that treats everyone equally? that sounds like the worst.
January 17, 2015 at 1:18 am
Rob
“While many of you think that gender is not a social construction, how would you explain gender roles and societal expectations of how men and women should act”
Gender is a social construct as are many things which are essentially natural. In other words, part is social and part is biological. If that were not so…there would be no transgenders. A transgender is born with a sort of gender confusion despite anything about social influences..because they are not comfortable with the sex they were born with.
In all of human history and throughout all cultures there has never been a society without gender roles. Don’t know how that would be since it never existed. Nature has in all of the past seemed to find the best manner for species survival than members of those species which go against their historic norms. Kind of a moot point for us though. The real point is that if feminism troubles itself over reconditioning a society concerning gender roles, it will likely detract from the effectiveness of the movement. There have already been many negative effects of this in societies now attempting and they all have to do with the next generation, the children, and how they are raised.
It is scary about having no gender roles in 2 ways:
1. We’ve never seen this before in any human society and so it likely will not have a positive effect.
2. There are no provisions to ensure there is continual and the same care for children. But this problem is not driven by feminism today…but by economics, since both parents need to work in the average home to afford a normal living. Children raised mostly by daycare…and not parented is already showing us the side effects. Numerous times I find myself thinking “someone else’s kids!”
Oh yeah…and not much else than patriarchies have ever existed either. Matriarchies have never existed…only Matrilineal societies and they have proven unable to defend themselves and acquire effective quantities of resources to sustain the population…in the past, anyways.
October 9, 2015 at 3:46 pm
Anonymous
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it was disastrous
May 28, 2014 at 5:22 pm
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May 31, 2014 at 7:46 pm
Anonymous
’73 percent of the young women she counted as rape victims were not aware they had been raped. Forty-three percent of them were dating their “attacker” again’
So because they’re not aware that it’s rape, it makes it ok? That statement is a concern for sexual education not those defining rape. ‘If she doesn’t know that what I’m doing is rape it makes it ok’. WOW.
Again, the fact that said women returned to their ATTACKER is an issue for sexual education & that woman’s personal well-being. That does not alter the definition of rape. ‘She went back to him after he raped her so it doesn’t count. Again, WOW.
January 17, 2015 at 1:09 am
Rob
“So because they’re not aware that it’s rape, it makes it ok? ”
No. It is because the definition of simply being drunk while having sex even if afterwards you don’t feel as if you were raped…looks as if someone’s trying to convince you of something that’s not true. WOW on back to you. You don’t get to redefine rape and then because someone doesn’t agree with your definition they are merely wrong about not being raped. WOW AND LOL!!
“She went back to him after he raped her so it doesn’t count.”
That wasn’t the point. It was voluntary and not forcible…which is the definition of rape. You cannot redefine it…it won’t stick. Now the lies are being revealed. Must be frustrating.
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June 5, 2014 at 5:49 am
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July 18, 2014 at 12:52 am
Yeah, but I'm a feminist.
I find this article interesting. I’ll start by saying, I identify as a feminist. What I don’t identify as, is a man-hating radical leftist. What I believe in is equal rights between men and women, not superior rights for women. (There’s a great deal of controversy within the feminist movement about what exactly that means and most of it is utter bullshit).
What I like about this article is that at no point does it state that women should be treated like cows. Yes, that is good. Truthfully, there are many women who also identify as feminists who would completely agree with many of the statements made here. Women are not better than men. Men are not better than women. We are different. Yes. There are certainly inherent traits within our biological and psychological chemistry that are opposite and that have evolved over the many years of our species’ development. A man will never give birth. A woman will never give sperm. Etc, etc, etc. Where I think that this article is too black and white is in the definition of gender roles, however. What is true is the general tendencies toward the protector/nurturer roles. A woman carries a baby in her belly for nine months then shoves it out her vagina in an excruciating and rewarding event. Yeah, she’s going to be instantly attached to the child probably as soon as she realizes she’s pregnant. A man sees his pregnant partner and is filled with pride, knowing that his child is growing inside. He will instinctively try to protect that woman and that child. This is how the species survives. Otherwise there’d be babies lying all about and such and that wouldn’t make any sense. What I think is inaccurate about the discussed points in this article is that those traits are so black and white. Now, this does address a certain level of gray area, but I don’t think it addresses enough. Within every person, there are feminine and masculine traits. Usually, they are minute, but they can grow in a person. That’s how we get tomboys and metrosexuals (that’s a weird term). These people are not in the midst of a gender identity crisis. They just tend to have more masculine/feminine traits than their friends and peers.
(That’s my view on gender roles, but truthfully I’m not too turned off by this article’s discussion of them. I see both sides.)
The point of feminism, or at least what I identify as feminism and the school of thought I adhere to, is that people should not be treated with more or less respect because of these traits. That everyone should have equal opportunities, but ALSO be held to the same standards. It is not equal to give women in the military lower standards for combat training. They will need to perform the same duties in high stress situations, be able to literally pull their weight and the weight of those fallen, so yeah they should be able to the same amount of work as men. Will they have to work harder to overcome their biology? Yes, absolutely they will, but anyone determined enough will do what they have to. Otherwise, you’re not cut out for the job anymore than a man with really bad asthma is. In the same frame of thought, women should not be given priority over men in custody cases because they’re the nurturers. There are plenty of children in the world who would be much better off in the care of their fathers than that of their deadbeat mothers. But also adolescent girls should not be told not to wear spaghetti straps to school when it’s hot out (I live in Florida. It’s hot out) because the boys “can’t control their urges.” I mean I think that would offend me if I was a man, being treated like some sex crazed maniac with no self control or respect. And a rapist is a rapist. It is not a girl’s fault that she is raped. No means no, I don’t care what the hell I’m wearing. Yeah, girls want to have sex and yeah, there is definitely the draw of revealing clothing. (Is it smart? No. Neither is leaving your car door unlocked, but robbery is still a crime). It doesn’t mean that they want to have sex with just anyone. And however distasteful it is to wear revealing clothes (not a fan myself) it’s still not asking to be raped. It is literally impossible to ask to be raped. At the same time, point one of this article is very much accurate. It does no one any good to skew rape statistics to create hysteria. What that does is really just make it harder for rape victims to seek justice because everyone’s confused about what it means or how often it happens or whatever. If you have to coerce a girl into realizing she was raped, you are no better than a rapist using coercion (threats, violence, etc.) to get a forced yes. If someone is told over and over again by another person that “yeah, you were raped. Oh no, trust, me, you were raped” you open up a whole can of worms of trauma and confusion for someone who probably wasn’t raped.
Lalala, what I think this article doesn’t recognize is that there are MANY schools of thought within feminism. It’s attacking the movement as a whole when the movement is actually not a whole at all. But hey, the loudest people always get the most attention, so yeah feminism is, to most people, a radical movement to replace patriarchy with superior amazonian matriarchy and that deserves all the criticism it can get. Cause it pisses a bunch of feminists off, too. So keep trucking along. Hopefully another school of thought will take the lead in the feminist movement and abolish all of this vagina superiority nonsense.
November 8, 2016 at 3:49 pm
Caleb
you sound closer to an egalitarian because in truth feminism is not for equal rights but for women to have more rights which in the past could have equated to being equal because the amount of rights women had were slim to none and i completely agree with all your other claims and stuff its just the loud feminist are what have forced tons of feminists to drop that title and go to egalitarian, i mean choose what you want to be called as but there is a reason for this
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August 30, 2014 at 8:26 pm
Anonymous
Gender is actually a social construct though. Sex is biological.
September 15, 2014 at 6:37 pm
jan
i’m so deep down the rabbit hole at this point that I can no longer tell if this article is real or satire
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September 24, 2014 at 3:02 am
Jamie
Your citations are cute. The most recent “facts” you are citing are fourteen years old. Some of them are older than twenty years. Your “evidence” is greatly outdated.
October 19, 2015 at 10:08 pm
nope
So with feminism’s push and the obvious changes in society,and with womens rights catching up in the supposed “gender equality” war,that would mean women were supposedly treated worse 14yrs ago when these studies took place…. so you’d rather he takes more modern figures that make women look more better off? That is a stupid argument
January 21, 2016 at 3:34 pm
Leah
Actually, these factors still remain true. The person also forgot that more men get raped in the U.S. than women. You’re too ignorant and unreasonable to listen to any of these facts.
May 7, 2016 at 1:17 am
Anonymous
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June 17, 2016 at 1:16 am
Anonymous
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November 4, 2014 at 8:17 am
Kshitij Naik
That’s what they are — myths. People who believe such myths are ignorant.
True feminism is not misandry, though, as the title of your blog suggests. It’s a fight for equality in an already patriarchal society. It’s a fight against how girls are not allowed to go to school in certain countries. It’s a fight against how customary it is in society for women to wear make-up (to improve their appearance; something only stage-actors, and film stars do) for formal occasions, but not for men. It’s a fight against the rape culture (if you didn’t already notice, more women are being raped than men, and that’s a fact). It’s a fight against skimpy Halloween costumes for fire-fighter girls, and doing-the-job counterparts for boys. The list goes on.
True feminism questions society. And the unbalanced roles it has for men and women.
I don’t know if you’ve even read any reasonable feminist blogs, my friend.
Cheers.
January 17, 2015 at 1:04 am
Robn
” It’s a fight against how customary it is in society for women to wear make-up”
That’s not a fight against anyone then, but women and the businesses that make the profits. Good luck telling a woman not to wear makeup…LOL!!
“It’s a fight against the rape culture”
There’s no general culture of rape in America. That is one of the biggest myths. If the number of rapes = rape culture, then we also have a murder, theft, and tax evasion culture as well. Silly.
Any part of feminism that goes beyond equal rights under the law is asking for too much social conditioning and control over our citizenry…and thus is doomed to fail. There is already a massive backlash and the lies this article exposed most are right on. There are plenty of flaws in the “studies” and concepts of the feminism which goes beyond equality under the law.
April 12, 2015 at 5:47 am
Anonymous
You got that right.
July 16, 2015 at 4:51 am
Anonymous
“That’s what they are — myths. People who believe such myths are ignorant.”….which is exactly why you are deluded.
February 8, 2016 at 7:56 pm
Ricky
Gender / sex argument in regards to being social or biological : Rad some cases about boys having their genitalia mutilated as babies during infant plastic surgery (AKA Circumcision) & deciding to perform a sex change and raise them as girls. They invariably played and behaved like boys according to the child psychologists evaluating them and the adult “females” when they found out they had actually been born males said they never felt like a girl. Terrible experiment to perform on a human being, assuming men are still considered as such by modern feminists.
May 14, 2016 at 6:53 pm
Anonymous
At least, you make sense.
June 25, 2016 at 5:24 am
Anonymous
Boy, aren’t you full of yourself?
July 1, 2016 at 5:10 am
Anonymous
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February 6, 2015 at 2:49 am
Anonymous
Feminists are not interested in equality, they want more power or perks to compensate for the years of ‘opression.’ Being born an average attractive white woman today is akin to winning the genetic lottery, and they get away with so much.
People are yelling about needing more feminine energy but as a young man raised, educated and socialized by females, i think we need more true masculine energy. this world could use strong, spiritual men who cannot be corrupted by consumerism, sex,money or evil. The world needs wise male leaders who respect all life on this planet and live in harmony with the Universal Laws. Men are natural leaders dont try to take our role, ladies. Thats what we are here to do!
March 4, 2015 at 10:00 am
bluehufsa
You forgot to mention another myth : “Women should have the right to walk naked on the streets because men should respect them no matter what”. My arguments against this: no, women should not walk naked on the streets,maybe i do not want my 6 years old niece to see their breasts and genitalia exposed,i want her to have a normal childhood without psychological traumas. And no again, it is against everything my parents taught me about decency ( my parents were both MD and Atheists..) . And no, men should not automatically respect a naked woman, respect is to be earned,not demanded. Besides, a 12 years old girl is a woman,should we all allow our daughters to walk naked on the street?
March 23, 2015 at 7:26 pm
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June 5, 2015 at 6:26 am
Anonymous
Umm… people are weird as hell nowadays. Does no one believe that each sex has a different role in the family. Men are the managers of the family, and the woman holds the family together. Her job is to nurture the family and provide a good environment for the husband and children. The man provides for the family, and they work as a team to raise the kids, and teach them in the ways of life until they grow out of their ignorance and ‘leave the nest’. Man is the dominant gender, but you just gotta rebel, huh? Man are made to be stronger than women for a reason, and women have better… women skills, like taking care of people and the like. Thats how it was supposed to be, but the stupid gays and feminists came along and ripped everything to peices. Were not supposed to be equal. A really good book to read that covers this particular subject and others is the 5000 Year Leap. Im male by the way, but this isnt biased. Do people still read their Bibles or what? It seems like everyone has fallen into the pit, too bad. Im only 13, but those arent my words, so yeah.
June 11, 2015 at 11:15 am
Naaz Fahmida
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September 8, 2015 at 12:24 am
Jenna Stone
Good Evening-
Perhaps I’m missing something – but is there a date reflecting when this was published and the attributed author ?
Also, is exposingfeminism.wordpress.com an earlier brand for Independent Women’s Network? If so, who founded the IWN?
Thank you for your time and consideration.
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Anonymous
Really? You don’t think girls go through puberty/adolescence– a period of literal growing pains, external and internal changes for which they could be bullied– without experiencing a hit to their self-esteem? It’s obvious you are anti-feminism. Rather than trying to present a valid and reliable argument or arguments, you are just shaming and hating on not even feminism but women in general. Dare I say, you sound pretty misogynistic.
September 28, 2015 at 8:47 am
Stephanie
Really? You don’t think girls go through puberty/adolescence– a period of literal growing pains, external and internal changes for which they could be bullied– without experiencing a hit to their self-esteem? It’s obvious you are anti-feminism. Rather than trying to present a valid and reliable argument or arguments, you are just shaming and hating on not even feminism but women in general. Dare I say, you sound pretty misogynistic.
September 30, 2015 at 8:43 pm
jaydeen
I hate these myths, they all lead to one thing… Lack of gender equality. Doesn’t matter though, because wether you like it or not, men need women to keep the world going. Without women on earth, this planet would be a planet of disorder and madness. And speaking of rape, I only have one thing to say to men, YOU DON’T OWN OUR BODIES. Rape is no accident and I feel we women are smart enough to know that by now. Guys, no means NO! If we really wanted it, we would have “PLEASE RAPE ME” written on our foreheads a long time ago. Men, change for the best of this world. Women, stop living in fear of those assholes.
September 30, 2015 at 9:07 pm
Anonymous
Oh wow. Men. You can’t live with them and you certainly CAN live without them. You guys are the real problems with the world. And I actually don’t blaim you for it. Cus I would women would be the same if we didn’t see things from ur point of view. Well let me enlighten you a bit. Imagine this. A world where your gender is being attacked viciously for doing absolutly NOTHING! A world where you see your gender on basicly ALL the news channels, and all you hear is “RAPE”,”MURDER”,”CHILD TRAFFIC”. And who caused all of this? MEN! Us women are doomed to a life of boundaries from all the things you men can do freely and without a care in the world. Things like, jogging at night, walking home alone, going to places alone, wearing small clothing when its BLAZING hot etc. Doesnt matter though, cause at the end of the day, u men just have to accept us into “your” world, cus u need us more then we need u. Without us, the world would be a cruel, disordered world of madness. You wouldnt know how to deal with it. And I only have one thing to say about rape, YOU DON’T OWN OUR BODIES! No means NO! And don’t try to say crap like, “It’s our fault”, or,”You asked for it”. BULL-SHIT! If we didnt say we want sex, don’t “assume” it. Men, change please. Women, don’t have sympathy for these assholes.
October 2, 2015 at 5:44 pm
AVV PRASAD
If all we want is gender equality or equity, why do they call it feminism? It is a misnomer!
It is nobody’s case that women should be treated badly. What is all the fuss about? Goodness is not a monopoly of men or women. You get nowhere blaming men or women. Equality, freedom, justice and peace are everybody’s responsity.
October 10, 2015 at 1:19 am
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October 10, 2015 at 6:19 am
Anonymous
Ahem. A word to all the stupid feminists out there. FUCK YOU!…I’m 13 btw
October 15, 2015 at 12:32 pm
Anonymous
What irks me most about feminists is that they take it upon themselves to be the authority on any gender and sexuality related issue… Except of course those concerning heterosexual men. I am a transvestite humanist who is fed up with the integrity of my plight being smeared by their scare mongering flawed studies.
November 2, 2015 at 5:10 am
Anonymous
Most of us don’t have this problem in Tx, because we’re too busy having sex to argue with one another as to who can do what, and why. Men and women get along just fine. But those Morlocks… well that’s an entirely different story. We HATE them.
January 19, 2016 at 2:33 pm
10 Ways True Feminism is Under Attack | Mountain Republic
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February 15, 2016 at 7:49 am
Anonymous
This is retarted. Almost everything here is extremely blown out of proportion.
February 28, 2016 at 7:50 pm
Shannon
I am thankful to hear these statistics are skewed and grateful that you sited credible sources, unlike most feminist agenda organizations.
March 10, 2016 at 9:24 am
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March 12, 2016 at 11:17 pm
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April 20, 2016 at 7:31 pm
Anonymous
lol bullshit
April 29, 2016 at 8:35 pm
Anonymous
For number 8 it cannot be more wrong, every single boy gets judged and treated as someone that messes about just because they are a boy
June 23, 2016 at 11:42 pm
What’s wrong with femininity, anyway? – Blessed Brews
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July 1, 2016 at 7:34 pm
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July 28, 2016 at 7:54 pm
Vaida
Very enlightening article. I like reading both sides since they give a more rounded perspective. I’d add a correction to #3 though or an addition to be more correct. 1/3 of women are killed by their domestic partner, so they don’t really make it to the emergency room. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/oct/07/gloria-steinem/steinem-more-women-killed-partners-911-deaths-atta/
August 3, 2016 at 6:42 am
Damion wayne
Are you stupid your calling femenism wrong cuz they got a few facts wrong so does peda but there cause is wright people might exaggerate some thing but its to stop you biggots
August 12, 2016 at 4:36 am
Anonymous
Why are all of these statistics so old? Like, twenty-three years old.
January 10, 2017 at 7:03 pm
Anonymous
Excellent.
January 11, 2017 at 7:23 pm
Anonymous
feminism + cancer = Feminazis
February 9, 2017 at 1:24 pm
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February 9, 2017 at 3:03 pm
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